07-19-2017, 11:29 AM | #574 | |
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Re your friend's e85, would it be a 2006 - 2008 Z4M I wonder? That variant of the E85 had hydraulic steering, while all the non-M cars, like mine, have an electric steering rack. Oh - and I really like your car - and the color!! Cheers!
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07-19-2017, 11:35 AM | #575 | |
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Even if they are testing two types of 19"/20" wheels for the Z4, that doesn't mean two separate models. BMW often offers an optional upsized wheel for M Performance models. |
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07-19-2017, 11:36 AM | #576 | ||
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Indeed BMW has thrown their attention just as you indicate to the 6 and 8 motors in particular and to hybrid drive. returning to the z4.. what's needed is a lightweight fun roadster, not a posh heavyweight 6 cylinder car with a metal roof , a very heavy automatic gearbox like a Mercedes Slc. Boxster Miata S2000 Triumph TR Etc Just like the Original Z3 but with better handling and a better power plant. BMWs in general add weight and also lose aerodynamic CD as they convert to M models as it is... if BMW wants to support this new Z4 it need to be light and fun to drive first. Then add more power across the range. Either way .. this car doesn't even look like it's trying to be anything close to a Z3 or Z4 BMW would have to have call any such replacement a Z2 now. |
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07-19-2017, 11:45 AM | #577 | |
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I see. Another question, so with one I6 offered do y'all think the new Z will be like the current Z4 were we have a 35i and a higher grader 35is with a little extra power? Last edited by supra93; 07-19-2017 at 11:55 AM.. |
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07-19-2017, 12:10 PM | #578 | |
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I should add that I am sure they'll offer the "M PPK" ECU upgrade, but that is dealer/port installed aftermarket item, not a factory option. |
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07-19-2017, 12:20 PM | #579 |
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07-19-2017, 12:31 PM | #581 |
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My 2cs, they should've hired me as a consultant lol. I have an e89 but the e86 as sexy as F, esp the M. I really couldn't care less if it was a convertible or not, but if it must, hardtop pls w/ minimum wt added as much as possible. However, coupe is the way to go if ppl are srs about performance as the primary factor for a sportscar. I would've just modernized the interior of the e86 and a bit of the outside cuz they are dated, included the e89 creature comforts and the N54 and no no no! to RFTs. I loved the small size of the e86. I definitely don't like the direction BMW is going w/ things getting bigger and heavier. I don't have high hopes for this latest version as the ragtop already is a major turnoff.
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If BMW just made more brand new Z4M Roadsters (06-08) and changed nothing, I'd march down to the dealer and buy another one today.
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Should the Z4 revitalise the market especially for BMW? Then we will see additional progress to capitalise on its success. But again it is more of a case of "if" rather than when.
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07-20-2017, 07:33 AM | #587 | |
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Just to keep this on topic, in case people are waiting to pounce, I'd prefer if we don't turn this thread into a debate about how, despite being marketable vehicles, convertibles don't truly deserve the M label because they are too heavy/slow/girly/whatever. |
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I think the real problem lies here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Z4_(E85)#Production Quote:
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07-20-2017, 10:41 AM | #590 |
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The first Z4 coupe I looked at was still owned by the original owner. He said it had sat on the dealer's lot for a year and they gave him a lot of incentives to buy it.
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07-20-2017, 11:30 AM | #592 |
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I'm just keen to see what the thing is going to look like with the camo removed. Isn't the big reveal supposed to happen next month?
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I have a 2015 BMW X4 xDrive35i M Sport with all the options and tech you could ever want. It's comfortable, easy to drive and has great performance for an SUV. That being said I also have a 2007 Z4M roadster that has very little technology, not much luxury, and few creature comforts ... but it is what I consider a true ///M car. For me M is about motorsports and performance not about luxury, phone connectivity and GPS. If BMW makes a new M version of the Zed please remember we don't need all that crap, we just want performance. I think back to my 2005 E46 M3 ZCP 6sp manual ... It only had one "M-button" on the steering wheel, no cruise control and the radio was an option. It was a sports car and it was a "de-contented" version of the standard M3 but with bigger brakes, lowered, suspension and wider wheels .... Sweet! That was my favourite BMW and my Z4M-R is a very close second for the same reasons.
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