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Had you, at the outset, said that an M would make sense if BMW were also building a coupe, that might have made for a more reasonable suggestion. |
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The Supra is the series Coupe just as the Z4 is the series Roadster. I didn't think that had to be made black and white. It's why I also suggested going Roadster for a Toyota Crown/Lexus Version using the same drivetrain.
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I'd love to see BMW build a Z4 coupe and then do an M for both. If only the market were still there to support all of this. Of course, like most people with a family, I can't really complain because I can't justify a two-seater anyway. |
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07-24-2017, 09:22 AM | #621 |
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This is not the Mercedes-Benz X-Klasse/Nissan Navara.
Z4 and Supura use clean body designs that reflect their physical brands. It isn't a rebadging exercise. The Z4 could become a Coupe and vice versa but we have to wait and see what the market reaction is like first of all. It's a shrinking segment.
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I wouldn't bother to wait for a potential Z4 Coupé... I'd head straight for the Supra.
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Ya, I knew someone would bite w/ those retorts. Yes, that thing is so German-rice, esp the premier'd green one...and they kinda copied the Z4 and put it on steroids. The clean one is much better, and, yes, the rest of their lineup is ZZZzzzzzZZzzzzzzzz. Also, F1 doesn't translate directly into *road* cars. BMWs still have sexier designs.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...s-amg-hypercar Meanwhile, no new Z4 M planned but plenty of 4/5/6GT's!
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As for the F1-derivative, wake me up if/when it comes out. No one said BMW doesn't sucks in not having a true supercar in its line-up, I'm just reiterating that Mercs are boring af....basically high-class Toyotas lol. |
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As you say, the numbers are the numbers. I'm basing this off of numbers that are restricted to a maximum permissible under some regulatory carve outs that are not often discussed and in some cases, still a year from being ratified. It also takes into account a current M model not being replaced 1:1 when the series model its based on is replaced soon with a new generation. This "///M Coupe" would take its namesake and be positioned in a unique way. I also am not "cutting" the Roadster out completely, but using these carve-outs for it to be under a different brand. I don't see more than 500-1000 additional sales above the M40i model in the current market for an M Roadster. It wouldn't be the smallest volume M Vehicle, but it's still in the top 4. When more camo is shed off the test mules, we could continue this under a new thread. It would be great to see what interest from the enthusiasts themselves produce for any additional derivatives. Quote:
I think you likely understand and may have already heard some of this internally. The segment shrunk and continues a downward trend, but that was guaranteed to happen. I think the E89 and going single model with the folding roof was the wrong approach. There wasn't room for both it and the SLK (SLC). With that model going away, and a segment replacement on the new platform several years down the road, the opportunity will open for other manufacturers, but that window won't be open for long. I spoke with Sen Graham recently and touched on this vaguely amidst the other more significant issues that need to be addressed soon. I rather not be in the public eye again, but will if it gets to a certain point. There is another company that has expressed to me privately, a desire to enter into a JVA with BMW/Toyota. It's a very good match IMO that would be near zero risk and has tremendous upside, not only with further utilization and complementary products based of the JV Sports Car Platform, but for manufacturing efficiencies that will soon be necessary to adjust for global changes. Last edited by lemetier; 07-26-2017 at 07:37 AM.. |
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Now maybe the specs aren't achievable at a cost to support the necessary price point. But theoretically they should be. Or maybe the problem isn't the specs but the the chassis isn't there to compete in that arena no matter how much M magic is cast upon it. That would be shame though, because for a chassis that is supposed to also support a vehicle that will be marketed as a Supra, I would think it could be made to perform at a high level on the track even without the fixed roof. A coupe would be awesome too, sure, but even having just an M roadster similar to what I describe would make for a great product. |
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I would like to see some carbon reinforced plastics being used on an M model. I would like to see M roadster + Coupe also....because....why not? Side note if there is not an M version, I wouldn't mind as long as an enthusiast can raid the parts bin like I was able to do for my e89. I think its great that the Toyota version will be the Supra. That alone will have all the Japanese after market leaders involved. If we can't get M suspension + brakes + diff we can source from Supra.
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Someone here said it would get a transaxle (so def. not (current) bmw tech), but posted a picture of it and that turned out to be a transaxle from an LFA (a bit too expensive for a z4 I imagine ) But maybe the better question is, will it predominantly be a german car or a japanese car. Will the tranmission be made by Toyota's long long partner Aisin or will it come from ZF/Getrag? (BMW's OEM) Same goes for shocks (Sachs or Tokico? KYB?), suspension arms/bushings, driveshafts, etc etc. Car manufacturers ususally have OEMS with working relations going back 50 years or more. Thats not going to be easy to give up. My guess is that, as they will both be build in Austria, it will most likely be made of BMW tech (or better said: german engineering/OEM's). But thats just a speculation. I guess we wont know until parts start to show up in the ETK, as press release photos usually dont focus on that kind of information (not interesting to the general public)
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Looks the Z and Supra will use the same brakes.
Brembo brakes to go on the Supra http://www.supramkv.com/threads/the-...the-supra.625/ |
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My guess is that the discs for certain will be bmw. BMW has (as one of the few manufacturers in the world) their own brake disc manufacturing plant (in Berlin, next to their motorcycle plant). Most other carmanufacturers outsource that. BMW has been using Brembo calipers for some time now, from the moment they started to fit painted aluminium multipiston calipers on cars. 135i was I believe the first one. (6 piston brembo brake sports packeage)
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