[c63er]

It's cute seeing comments from people who think this car will be in the mold of the original z cars. Where have you been the last 6 years? Try driving one of the real z cars and tell me if BMW would make a vehicle remotely close to one right now? Most people here seem to have some strange video game fantasy.

This is a platform shared vehicle. So it will drive and feel like every other car in the lineup. That's is to say numb, detached and basically boring, but accurate. The differences are basically how high or low you sit and how the vehicle is styled.

Transmission, steering, engines, etc are all the same As everything else in the lineup.

In essence the car is an exercise in "how much money can we get out of these idiots". Ie who will pay extra money for a vehicle based purely on roadster styling. Of course most US customers are savvy enough so this car is aimed at other far more superficial markets.

In this context the rationale for platform sharing with Toyota should be plainly obvious.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by c63er

It's cute seeing comments from people who think this car will be in the mold of the original z cars. Where have you been the last 6 years? Try driving one of the real z cars and tell me if BMW would make a vehicle remotely close to one right now? Most people here seem to have some strange video game fantasy.

This is a platform shared vehicle. So it will drive and feel like every other car in the lineup. That's is to say numb, detached and basically boring, but accurate. The differences are basically how high or low you sit and how the vehicle is styled.

Transmission, steering, engines, etc are all the same As everything else in the lineup.

In essence the car is an exercise in "how much money can we get out of these idiots". Ie who will pay extra money for a vehicle based purely on roadster styling. Of course most US customers are savvy enough so this car is aimed at other far more superficial markets.

In this context the rationale for platform sharing with Toyota should be plainly obvious.

What does a platform shared vehicle have to do with the price of potatoes?

how much of the M2 platform (and by that I mean suspension and drivetrain ) is shared with the M4 ?

how much of the M4 platform is shared with other models?

[c63er]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

What does a platform shared vehicle have to do with the price of potatoes?


how much of the M2 platform (and by that I mean suspension and drivetrain ) is shared with the M4 ?

You may want to revisit that question in a few months time

[adc]

Is it considered shameful of traitorous to like that Supra?

Could it be the poor man’s Porsche? Or a bust because of no-M componentry?

[Rick Hunter]

Originally Posted by adc

Is it considered shameful of traitorous to like that Supra?

Could it be the poor man’s Porsche? Or a bust because of no-M componentry?

Not at all. I think the Supra will fare better than the Z4, esp in sales. It's already started off on the right foot by having a fixed hardtop.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by adc

Is it considered shameful of traitorous to like that Supra?

Could it be the poor man’s Porsche? Or a bust because of no-M componentry?

Both of these cars will be dead on arrival if they don't undercut the Boxster and C7 in price. They are unlikely to perform better.

If the M40i or top Supra version outperform the M2 and actually drive like a true sports car it will be a success. Barring that, it seems like yet another fashion car.

It's a shame because this chassis is the best chance BMW has to build something really exciting to drive. A full-on M version with S58 engine and M suspension would be pretty great. I actually think if the dynamics are good enough it could steal a lot of 718 sales because of the 4-cyl engine being so undesirable.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ice31

No manual, no m40i in europe...

Vote with your wallet... !

[RobbyMack]

Originally Posted by adc

Is it considered shameful of traitorous to like that Supra?

Could it be the poor man’s Porsche? Or a bust because of no-M componentry?

Nope. I think the Supra already looks a shit ton better.

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by RobbyMack

Nope. I think the Supra already looks a shit ton better.

Really? It looks a bit cartoonish to me, sorry. Just personal taste. But it wouldn’t be the first time that I didn’t like a picture and once I saw the car in person I loved it!

[super51fan]

I find it hard to believe that the Supra is going to be targeted as the "sportier" car between the two. The Z3/Z4 has always been known as a sports car where Supras have always been GT cruisers (they are not sports cars similar to 240sx's like the Fast & Furious makes them out to be.) Also, Supras have been marketed higher than the z3, $40,500 vs $35,900 respectively in 1998 which was the last year for the mk4 in the states.
I look for the new Z4 to remain a fun road course/track car and the Supra to be a leaner version of the plush street cruiser it used to be.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Sounds more like another concept or prototype or something - not production car?

Some are saying it will be either a near production concept or the production car but turned into a racecar. Similarly like with the M8 GTE. Found this today, the wing looks really close to the teaser release by Toyota.

[RobbyMack]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Really? It looks a bit cartoonish to me, sorry. Just personal taste. But it wouldn’t be the first time that I didn’t like a picture and once I saw the car in person I loved it!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Doesn't make either one of ours "right". I think maybe the cartoonish or video game nature of the Supra gets to me. I also have a personal connection. My father had a mkii Supra for 10 years when I was a kid so they'll always be "special" to me.

[bobert]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I find it hard to believe that the Supra is going to be targeted as the "sportier" car between the two. The Z3/Z4 has always been known as a sports car where Supras have always been GT cruisers (they are not sports cars similar to 240sx's like the Fast & Furious makes them out to be.) Also, Supras have been marketed higher than the z3, $40,500 vs $35,900 respectively in 1998 which was the last year for the mk4 in the states.
I look for the new Z4 to remain a fun road course/track car and the Supra to be a leaner version of the plush street cruiser it used to be.

Always? Not true - as far as the last iteration of each model was concerned, it was exactly the opposite: the last Supra (incredibly, a couple decades ago) was a sports car whereas the recently departed last Z4 surely didn't seem like one.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by bobert

Always? Not true - as far as the last iteration of each model was concerned, it was exactly the opposite: the last Supra (incredibly, a couple decades ago) was a sports car whereas the recently departed last Z4 surely didn't seem like one.

I chose my words carefully. The Supra is a GT car, Z4 is a sports car/roadster. While the Supra was more sporty than previous years since its more upscale offerings were brought in with the Lexus SC300/SC400, it was no doubt a GT. If you have driven a stock Supra at the time its obvious compared to other sporty options from Toyota such as the Toyota MR2 and Toyota Celica.
I can't speak on the failed execution of the most recent z4, but that doesn't change the intentions of the vehicle

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I chose my words carefully. The Supra is a GT car, Z4 is a sports car/roadster. While the Supra was more sporty than previous years since its more upscale offerings were brought in with the Lexus SC300/SC400, it was no doubt a GT. If you have driven a stock Supra at the time its obvious compared to other sporty options from Toyota such as the Toyota MR2 and Toyota Celica.
I can't speak on the failed execution of the most recent z4, but that doesn't change the intentions of the vehicle

Chiming in here - the last Z4 was maybe a sporty car, but not a sports car. Which was actually fine by me, I liked the combination of sporty & GT. I know many didn’t.

[supra93]

The Toyota has dropped body camo as well.

[ice31]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Vote with your wallet... !

What do you mean?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ice31

What do you mean?

Buy what you like.

Don't buy what you do not like.

[jts1981]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I chose my words carefully. The Supra is a GT car, Z4 is a sports car/roadster. While the Supra was more sporty than previous years since its more upscale offerings were brought in with the Lexus SC300/SC400, it was no doubt a GT. If you have driven a stock Supra at the time its obvious compared to other sporty options from Toyota such as the Toyota MR2 and Toyota Celica.
I can't speak on the failed execution of the most recent z4, but that doesn't change the intentions of the vehicle

Idk. The Supra was used on racing, and the 2jz is a winner. As an owner of the e89 I'd say it's definitely more GT than sports. Problem is that BMW listened to a bunch of bloated car buyers and softened it as a response to the e85 being too harsh. That said if you're an enthusiast it's easy to mod the e89 into a better performer.

At this point it's easy to say the Supra will hit, and z4 most likely won't hit the mark. Supra has a strong following that will drive sales and the aftermarket , where as the z4....no M version, no manual, no point.

[ice31]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Buy what you like.

Don't buy what you do not like.

Well yeah, that's basically my only criteria
But I love the design of the Z4 concept, so this is a big disappointment...

[supra93]

More photos of the Toyota with body cladding gone.

http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22804583

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by jts1981

Idk. The Supra was used on racing, and the 2jz is a winner. As an owner of the e89 I'd say it's definitely more GT than sports. Problem is that BMW listened to a bunch of bloated car buyers and softened it as a response to the e85 being too harsh. That said if you're an enthusiast it's easy to mod the e89 into a better performer.

At this point it's easy to say the Supra will hit, and z4 most likely won't hit the mark. Supra has a strong following that will drive sales and the aftermarket , where as the z4....no M version, no manual, no point.

Yes the supra was used in racing but never performed well around a track. The 2jz is a monster and I have been modifying them for ~10 years now and I will tell you the cast iron block makes for a nose heavy car around the corners. A mk4 supra is just a nice car to daily drive that just so happened to be easy to modify, id equate the feel to a g37 in that it is sporty but not rash like a 370z or a mustang. I would really hate for the supra to turn into a sports car because I cant afford the Lexus LC500 lol.
The same about the e89 can be said about the stock mk4 suspension, its too soft to perform.
We will see what is officially confirmed when the supra is announced but I do not see it having a manual box if its supposed to be a gtr competitor (unfortunately.)