First G29 Z4 Roadster Prototype Spied, Returns to the Soft-Top!

ynguldyn · 02-07-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bobert

Z4, which supposedly will offer a manual.

Nope.

bobert · 02-07-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Nope.

Wow - no stick for the new Z4 either?

All models? Just not in US?

Crazy - initial rumors were that the Z4 would have a manual (just speculation, of course) and there were even 'spy shots' of a Z4 test mule that clearly had a manual, but I guess they can change their minds.

This is horrible news, even if I don't love the looks of it (admittedly only the 'concept' version so far) and wasn't likely to buy one anyway, but it coincides with the madness regarding the new M340i not expected to have a manual either. The end is near!

supra93 · 02-07-2018, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The HACK

My wife keeps telling me that too.

Pics?

The HACK · 02-07-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonOne

Millennials don't know how to drive manuals so kinda makes sense.

Millenials also don't buy cars, so I don't know why BMW cares whether or not they drive manuals.

I think the answer to the question is actually, the CHINESE don't drive manuals, so why would BMW make cars that has manual transmission. Most of what we're seeing is BMW simply understanding that U.S. and EU market dwarfs in comparison to the potential in the Chinese market, and they're now making cars for the Chinese, and what "we" get is the crumbs that's left.

Expect China to be the biggest "importer" of BMWs in the next 5-10 years. And the next 2 generations of BMWs to be designed for Chinese sensibilities (technology, luxury, soft and supple rides, electrification, more automation...etc. in place of sporty handling, racing heritage, driver's involvement...etc).

KevinM · 02-07-2018, 08:52 PM

I don't care who doesn't buy cars or who can't drive a stick. A two seat coupe/convertible without a manual option does not make sense.

(Since there is no curmudgeon or soap box emoticon

)

I'm waiting for an automatous driving 2-seat sports car. Experience all the thrill of driving (or looking like you are driving) without needing to do so!

dmboone25 · 02-08-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The HACK

Millenials also don't buy cars, so I don't know why BMW cares whether or not they drive manuals.
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Many don't even have licenses...it's a very, different, generation from that perspective.

ice31 · 02-08-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

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Originally Posted by ice31

I already have the $ waiting for the Z4, but they had to disappoint me didn't they

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The production car has not even been revealed yet so why don't you hold on before you get your panties all bunched up. Good Lord!

No manual, no m40i in europe...

The HACK · 02-08-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

Many don't even have licenses.

That's what Über is for.

BigT · 02-11-2018, 06:19 AM

No MT? Oh Boy, I'll never sell my Z3...
I mean: What is "roadstering" than having all the controls in the hands? Driving the small tricky serpentines of Corsica or Elba without MT would make no sense for me.

supra93 · 02-12-2018, 12:18 AM

Length: 172.4 inches
Wheelbase: 97.2 inches
Height: 50.8 inches
Width: 73 inches
Weight: 3,284 lbs
335hp
8AT

DrivenByE30 · 02-12-2018, 08:47 AM

No manual is a big mistAke !

This is going a flop like the previous Z4.

I guess BMW really wants us to buy Porsche...

F this BM.

We havent see a true successor to the Z3.

W/// · 02-12-2018, 09:27 AM

I'm surprised that people are surprised that the car will not have a MT. The writing has been on the walls for YEARS you guys.

Why should MT be offered when absolutely no one buys them, and I'm talking about US and EU.

Personally, this is exactly why I'm keeping a close eye out on the M2 Comp. Could be one of the last 3 pedal M cars available. If not this, then I would say next M3/4 is probably the end.

Rick Hunter · 02-12-2018, 08:24 PM

For some silly reason BMW still thinks they can compete against the SLK (SLC). So they aim for that demographic (who don't care about MT). Then the people who want MT gets screwed so they turn to Porsche for a real sportscar experience. BMW loses doubly in the end.

It happened before, and sadly it'll happen again.

They should have tossed in the letter "M" on the E89 to improve sales... it's not like that letter stands for Motorsport any more than it stands for marketing.

supra93 · 02-12-2018, 08:50 PM

I wonder if the Z4 will be there as well?

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/of...va-motor-show/

Jason · 02-13-2018, 11:28 AM

Update: February 13, 2018

With the all new G29 Z4 debut set to debut later this year, prototypes are no longer being shy, which gives us this best and closest look yet at the next Z4, spotted here next to the upcoming G20 3 Series and Toyota Supra.

G29 Z4 Prototype Spied Up Close

CeEl · 02-13-2018, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by supra93

I wonder if the Z4 will be there as well?

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/of...va-motor-show/

Sounds more like another concept or prototype or something - not production car?

RBNetEngr · 02-13-2018, 04:35 PM

What is the car parked to the left of the new Z4? Could that be the new Supra?

cbertels · 02-13-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RBNetEngr

What is the car parked to the left of the new Z4? Could that be the new Supra?

Seriously! That looks like potential. I've never been a big fan of the tent roof.

RBNetEngr · 02-13-2018, 04:46 PM

Photo # 10 in the group posted today...Left of the Z4, meaning to the driver's side of the Z4.

Stepanyan · 02-13-2018, 06:02 PM

Yes, the car on the driver's side of the Z should be the supra.

The camo makes the body panels of the Z look a lot toned down compared to the concept. I hope it is closer to the concept without the camo.

chris719 · 02-13-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by W///

I'm surprised that people are surprised that the car will not have a MT. The writing has been on the walls for YEARS you guys.

Why should MT be offered when absolutely no one buys them, and I'm talking about US and EU.

Personally, this is exactly why I'm keeping a close eye out on the M2 Comp. Could be one of the last 3 pedal M cars available. If not this, then I would say next M3/4 is probably the end.

The take rate is low, but this is the car in the lineup that a manual is most suited to. Unless this is just another "not a sports car" like the last Z4.

I would be ok with it if there is an M version with 6MT offered. The M2 6MT take rate in the US shows there is demand.

duky · 02-13-2018, 06:21 PM

Man this will be one beautiful car

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