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Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I have been a very active BMW CCA member for 39 years and have never come across a member that would rather drive a Civic over an M5 no matter what the transmission was.

Manuals are actually becoming quite rare. I am the only one I know with the current M3/M4 that has a 6MT. In fact many club people have asked me why I got my M4 with a 6MT.

Yeah, I meant BMW club track and other club track events. I certainly see more more autos in the regular club tour events or whatever, and I'm certainly not saying that's a problem. I'm saying that not having the manual as an option makes it difficult for me to say the Z4 is a better "driver's car."