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      12-04-2015, 07:26 AM   #495
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...the current 3 series is 5 years old.
Four. Started production in late 2011.

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Whether you slice it 2015-2011 or 11,12,13,14,15, the 5 series is basically still mid cycle.
Even the most liberal definition of "mid" couldn't save this statement from being completely false.

The F10/F11 5 Series is in its final year of production. It will be ending in October of next year, just ten months from now, and the G30 will take over from there.

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Also, sales numbers, whether yours are correct or not, have no relevance to my argument because I'm simply comparing how much better those cars are to drive.
For the sake of argument, we'll go with that claim.

Yet, still, if those products aren't selling then those aren't the right products for BMW because those aren't the products people want. If BMW had sales numbers like Cadillac, we would likely be discussing their demise right now because, without the huge corporate machine Cadillac has in GM to subsidize them, they'd also be dead.

The cars BMW built yesterday were that way because that's what people wanted at that time. Today's customer is different. Change happens.
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