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      10-01-2015, 10:06 PM   #70
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Originally Posted by bmwmsport View Post
Common sense and facts point to God. For example- fact: we are here. This universe exists. This fact itself must mean there is a creator.

If it was really self-preservation as a major motivation, you better not believe in the Christian God. You have no power to save yourself in Christianity. You cannot get to God through your own works. It is by grace you are saved.

If you deny that humans are so very different than what you're calling our animal cousins then we have a lot of ground to cover.

We are so incredibly different its not even funny. Please, talk to me when apes walk on the moon of their own accord.

We get excited when an ape can match colors together. Human children can do that and we don't even consider it a real accomplishment.

Apes have no knowledge of morality or even the ability to comprehend the supernatural or their own existence. The fact that we can even comprehend these things should tell you how different we are. Apes have no moral law to live by, they do what nature demands of them. How on earth did we just somehow randomly get smart enough to understand morality? One can't understand his own morality without appealing to some higher moral being. Moral law can't come from within you.

Case and point: Humans and apes are so ridicoulsly different I'm not sure why we are having this discussion.
Your logic is ridiculous. Because they don't have language (as defined by you) or technology or morality (thats a laugh, who has been responsible for more mass genocide, us or them?) we can't possibly be related? That is very obtuse and arrogant. Mankind so wants to believe it is special and above all else. DNA testing and genome mapping says you are absolutely wrong though. But who needs that when you have undeniable proof in the form of "we are here". Just because we don't yet fully understand a thing doesn't mean it is the work of a deity. Humans have been worshipping something or another since we became smart enough to grasp the concept. If internet forums existed 5000 years ago you'd be telling me how I was foolish not to worship Atum as he was the god who coughed up everything in existence.

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