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      09-30-2018, 08:06 AM   #1101
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252 and 243 are the next levels of support... not sure where TSLA will open on tomorrow but if we get a close under either of those we could see a sharp sell-off depending on how investors, traders and institutions interpret this news and how crucial Musk's "leadership" is to the brand and company as a whole.
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      09-30-2018, 09:21 AM   #1102
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At this point TSLA needs to realize that they are more of a parts supplier than a car manufacturer. Supply batteries and other tech to larger automakers and maybe produce one flagship car. With Musk stepping down they will be able to focus less on being a cutting edge cool company and be more profitable.
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      09-30-2018, 03:00 PM   #1103
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It doesn't happen often, but I was wrong. There's no beating around the bush...Elon's fucked.
Didn't you buy a bunch more shares right around the time Musk was tweeting about deals with the saudis? I wonder if you'll be able to tap into that $20M that's being set aside for shareholder damages. Would be interested to hear how that shakes out.
It's 40 mil
$20M fine that Musk is paying to the SEC. additional $20M that Tesla is paying to be used to offset shareholder damages.
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      09-30-2018, 10:11 PM   #1104
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what a joke
Justice is really about how much you can afford
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      10-01-2018, 06:41 AM   #1105
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So Musk has so far accomplish
The world most expensive joint
The world most expensive tweet
What next? The world most expensive YouTube video?
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      10-01-2018, 01:06 PM   #1106
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what a joke
Justice is really about how much you can afford
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
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      10-01-2018, 01:15 PM   #1107
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You say that as if it's a bad thing.
You think it's good thing?
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      10-01-2018, 02:30 PM   #1108
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You think it's good thing?
Well he is ballin with those.millions of dollars so he would think that way
IMHO justice should be equal to all from King to peasant
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      10-01-2018, 03:16 PM   #1109
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what a joke
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Well he is ballin with those.millions of dollars so he would think that way
IMHO justice should be equal to all from King to peasant
Gentlemen, you win the Tag Team internet of the Day. Congratulations

By stating the objective reality about justice vs. what it should be, you've inadvertently moved forward the concept of justice, equally applied. It is widely researched that the coveted, "Not Guilty", verdict is more a byproduct of how well you're represented by your attorney. Justice for all...sure. Not Guilty's for those that can afford it, however, for the most part.

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Just because it's happened before doesn't make my statement any less true
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If only I had the balls to go in heavier on Friday. Oh well.
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Bullshit. No one wants electric cars.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/seeking...on-ahead-tesla
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Tesla's are like nothing else on the market and that they are an environmentally progressive choice.
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Tesla's are like nothing else on the market and that they are an environmentally progressive choice.
Tesla kool-aid is tainted.... likely the biggest lie the eco crowd has ever been fed.

The mining process for lithium alone is off the charts compared to traditional coal. Funny part is the earth has a process for absorbing carbon emissions, yet not one to handle lithium ion batteries lol.

Here's a Harvard business school analysis:

https://rctom.hbs.org/submission/tes...on-batteries/#

"Once a battery reaches the end of its life, there is recycling and disposal to be considered. Currently, over 90% of lead-acid batteries used in typical gasoline-powered vehicles are recycled. Compare that to less than 5% of lithium-ion batteries. Experts project 11m tonnes of lithium-ion batteries will be discarded between 2017 and 2030 [8]. These batteries will need to be transported to recycling facilities around the world to be processed, further contributing to their negative environmental impact. Transporting batteries from Australia to Europe resulted in an increase of global warming potential of ~45% [9]."

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https://www.autovistagroup.com/news-...ing-8-year-old
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Tesla's are like nothing else on the market and that they are an environmentally progressive choice.
Tesla kool-aid is tainted.... likely the biggest lie the eco crowd has ever been fed.

The mining process for lithium alone is off the charts compared to traditional coal. Funny part is the earth has a process for absorbing carbon emissions, yet not one to handle lithium ion batteries lol.

Here's a Harvard business school analysis:

https://rctom.hbs.org/submission/tes...on-batteries/#

"Once a battery reaches the end of its life, there is recycling and disposal to be considered. Currently, over 90% of lead-acid batteries used in typical gasoline-powered vehicles are recycled. Compare that to less than 5% of lithium-ion batteries. Experts project 11m tonnes of lithium-ion batteries will be discarded between 2017 and 2030 [8]. These batteries will need to be transported to recycling facilities around the world to be processed, further contributing to their negative environmental impact. Transporting batteries from Australia to Europe resulted in an increase of global warming potential of ~45% [9]."

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https://www.autovistagroup.com/news-...ing-8-year-old
Shhhh. Keep the facts out of this.

Electric cars are wonderful for Mother Earth.
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Tesla kool-aid is tainted.... likely the biggest lie the eco crowd has ever been fed.

The mining process for lithium alone is off the charts compared to traditional coal. Funny part is the earth has a process for absorbing carbon emissions, yet not one to handle lithium ion batteries lol.

Here's a Harvard business school analysis:

https://rctom.hbs.org/submission/tes...on-batteries/#

"Once a battery reaches the end of its life, there is recycling and disposal to be considered. Currently, over 90% of lead-acid batteries used in typical gasoline-powered vehicles are recycled. Compare that to less than 5% of lithium-ion batteries. Experts project 11m tonnes of lithium-ion batteries will be discarded between 2017 and 2030 [8]. These batteries will need to be transported to recycling facilities around the world to be processed, further contributing to their negative environmental impact. Transporting batteries from Australia to Europe resulted in an increase of global warming potential of ~45% [9]."

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https://www.autovistagroup.com/news-...ing-8-year-old
I'll preface this by saying any environmental benefit has nothing to do with my desire for a Tesla. I want a Tesla because once I've resigned myself to a car with shitty driving dynamics (re: any combination of turbos, automatic transmissions, EPS, SUV "loo" (any non body on frame SUV), and awd), the Tesla offers tangible benefits in exchange.

That said, I think you're very much misreading that article by the Harvard guy.

"Currently, over 90% of lead-acid batteries used in typical gasoline-powered vehicles are recycled. Compare that to less than 5% of lithium-ion batteries."
That sentence is comparing car batteries to all lithium ion batteries. When you get your car battery replaced, it's automatically recycled. Even if you DIY the battery swap, you get money back when you provide them your original battery.

That will also be the case with Lithium Ion batteries that are used in cars. What people do with their valueless laptop/cell phone/camera batteries is pretty irrelevant compared to a massive car battery, that 99% of the time will be replaced by professionals (that will automatically do the recycling process).

Lithium: is a one time mining process, followed by a decade of use.
Coal: ongoing process, as each bit of coal only can be used once.

The per unit extraction emissions are a pretty useless way to look at things, when you consider the vastly different lifespans of what's being extracted.

Transporting batteries between continents is inefficient, but inevitably the quantity of recycling centers will increase as the quantity of batteries increases. E.g. The gigafactory has a battery recycling center-- so batteries in the USA can go there.
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      10-08-2018, 03:10 PM   #1120
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Tesla Tumbles:
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$250.56 USD −11.39 (-4.35%)
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$250.56 USD −11.39 (-4.35%)
Still feelin' good about my decision to cash all my chips in at $322 and walk away.
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As you should. I've said several times in the past one could channel trade this stock from the 250-330 area and make money several times over the past year however with all this extra headline risk I think there is more pressure to the downside and TSLA may be more of a buy-out or merger candidate than a viable auto-mfg competitor.
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