[MightyMouseTech]

This could be huge news for the automotive industry.

Maybe we will all be driving cheap electric cars sooner than we thought.

Seems almost too good to be true.

https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/g...n=utnewsshares

[///M Power-Belgium]

Jeremy Clarkson said about electric cars...*Driving laptops*

[fbsm]

battery improvements will certainly be welcome in mobile devices

until they solve the issue related to reliance on rare earth metals in battery production as well as longevity I dont see any "revolution" happening.

electric cars with regenerative features and other systems will continue to be more complicated (read more expensive to manufacture and maintain).

the grand tour had a great episode on the real world use of electric vs petrol between an i3 and a GTI if I recall correctly.

Until electrics match the convenience and price of conventional vehicles.......

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by fbsm

until they solve the issue related to reliance on rare earth metals in battery production as well as longevity I dont see any "revolution" happening.

electric cars with regenerative features and other systems will continue to be more complicated (read more expensive to manufacture and maintain).

the grand tour had a great episode on the real world use of electric vs petrol between an i3 and a GTI if I recall correctly.

Until electrics match the convenience and price of conventional vehicles.......

That is the whole point of these new batteries if they can ramp up for big production. They DON'T use rare earth metals, and they have triple the charge density.

[Fundguy1]

Hmmm.

[fbsm]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

That is the whole point of these new batteries if they can ramp up for big production. They DON'T use rare earth metals, and they have triple the charge density.

Thanks

I skimmed the article and didnt see a reference to the elimination of dependence on rare earth metals

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by fbsm

Thanks

I skimmed the article and didnt see a reference to the elimination of dependence on rare earth metals

Yeah. Just says non lithium.

[TomHudson]

Inexpensive electric car that I could use to commute, absolutely.
$50,000 I3 - nope

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by fbsm

Thanks

I skimmed the article and didnt see a reference to the elimination of dependence on rare earth metals

The article states the anode can be made from lithium, sodium or potassium. Sodium is quite abundant.

[Fundguy1]

Yes but does it use them in other ways and not just ro replace lithium. If it does, this would fix one of my problems I have with electrics. I'll be satisfied when the battery life goes for 400 miles, recharges in under 5 min, doesn't need replacing for over 100k, is similar priced and weighs a similar amount to an ICE. This at least makes them less damaging to the environment than an ICE for the first time.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

That is the whole point of these new batteries if they can ramp up for big production. They DON'T use rare earth metals, and they have triple the charge density.

Thank god Kathleen Wynne just reduced our hydro by 25%, although Toronto Hydro has said that if 10% of the cars on the road were electric the grid couldn't support the additional load, that and Ms Wynne wanting us to all heat with electricity in the future. At least if you buy a Tesla she'll give you a $14,000. rebate.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Yes but does it use them in other ways and not just ro replace lithium. If it does, this would fix one of my problems I have with electrics. I'll be satisfied when the battery life goes for 400 miles, recharges in under 5 min, doesn't need replacing for over 100k, is similar priced and weighs a similar amount to an ICE. This at least makes them less damaging to the environment than an ICE for the first time.

If you have a 500 mile range, who cares if charge time is fast? That would cover 99% of all car usage in a time frame that would allow an overnight charge. For the seventeen Americans that drive more than 500 miles a day, use an ICE car.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

Thank god Kathleen Wynne just reduced our hydro by 25%, although Toronto Hydro has said that if 10% of the cars on the road were electric the grid couldn't support the additional load, that and Ms Wynne wanting us to all heat with electricity in the future. At least if you buy a Tesla she'll give you a $14,000. rebate.

To hell with that bitch. Just increased our hydro debt by about 40 billion just to try and get re-elected.

We have a HUGE overcapacity at night, exactly when most electrics would be charging.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

If you have a 500 mile range, who cares if charge time is fast? That would cover 99% of all car usage in a time frame that would allow an overnight charge. For the seventeen Americans that drive more than 500 miles a day, use an ICE car.

They also state in the article, one of the big benefits of this tech is that recharging is in minutes, not hours due to the glass.

[wntrsnowg]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

Toronto Hydro has said that if 10% of the cars on the road were electric the grid couldn't support the additional load, that and Ms Wynne wanting us to all heat with electricity in the future.

Exactly. It comes down to the grid not the price of the car. No one would get an EV if they couldn't charge it because our electrical grid was overloaded and crashing from all the EVs

[fbsm]

Better batteries would have a much bigger impact on my life wrt mobile devices/laptops than they ever would wrt transportation

Not sure I personally would be overly thrilled with being more dependent on electric grid

[GuidoK]

So after all it might not even be the amount of lithium or whatever other element is used as anode/electrolyte in the battery, but how much copper we can find to beef up the global electricity grids

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

So after all it might not even be the amount of lithium or whatever other element is used as anode/electrolyte in the battery, but how much copper we can find to beef up the global electricity grids

Maybe that is the real reason we have taken copper pennies out of circulation here in Canada, stock pile all that copper.

[Fundguy1]

If they do become prevalent, the grid in the US and in Canada will have to go through major overhauls. The US grid at peak times has very little excess power. Peak times are at early night when you'd be plugging in. All the lights. I think this is one of Trump's infrastructure plans. Updating and upgrading the grid. Not just potholes.

[GuidoK]

Europe also has no copper coins anymore. the copper 1/2/5ct are copper plated.
You also see more and more aluminium wiring where the strands are copper plated.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

If you have a 500 mile range, who cares if charge time is fast? That would cover 99% of all car usage in a time frame that would allow an overnight charge. For the seventeen Americans that drive more than 500 miles a day, use an ICE car.

I said get to 400. Its at 200 right now. And thats driving perfectly, not sporty which kills it much faster. If the faster recharge can get to 5 min with readily available AC or 220v and without without monsterously expensive superchargers everywhere then that's another check on the list.

[TomHudson]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

Thank god Kathleen Wynne just reduced our hydro by 25%, although Toronto Hydro has said that if 10% of the cars on the road were electric the grid couldn't support the additional load, that and Ms Wynne wanting us to all heat with electricity in the future. At least if you buy a Tesla she'll give you a $14,000. rebate.

The liberals set this energy mess into motion with bad negotiated contracts with energy companies that specified a guaranteed excessive rate.
This 'savings' is remortgaged now over 30 years instead of 20 years so my kids can still fund this nonsense with an additional cost of billions.

We produce more electricity than we consume but are tied into excessive rates with energy producers.
Tied to green energy costs that are double for wind and 3 1/2 tines for solar as per the auditor general.

But 25% savings for now will buy lots of votes.