[MrLatte]

I don’t mind a tall lever, I own a GR Yaris and the spacing from wheel to gear is pretty spot on.

A manual in a sports car needs to be more mechanical in feel, someone at bmw need a to spend time in an mx5.

Originally Posted by ebirotedu

There are already a few reviews of the 6MT in the Supra online, including a link posted here in a recent thread (forget which).

As I recall, the reviewer said the shifter was ok - good but not great. Among some other minor complaints, he noted that the shift lever was too tall. Even so, just watching him work the gears had me feeling super nostalgic about manuals. And pedal position is apparently well-suited for heel & toe, so there’s that.

EDIT: Found the review thread/post:

https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...59&postcount=1

[kyleb350]

Hoping foremost for a manual. The wording of "Redesigned with M power..." is a bit loose and can still mean it's just the B58.

It's been a few years since they've offered a top down manual car. Can't wait to see the LCI!

[StanDiego]

Originally Posted by ebirotedu

There are already a few reviews of the 6MT in the Supra online, including a link posted here in a recent thread (forget which).

As I recall, the reviewer said the shifter was ok - good but not great. Among some other minor complaints, he noted that the shift lever was too tall. Even so, just watching him work the gears had me feeling super nostalgic about manuals. And pedal position is apparently well-suited for heel & toe, so there’s that.

EDIT: Found the review thread/post:

https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...59&postcount=1

I owned 2007 and 2012 Miatas, renowned for their short, smooth, and precise shifters. If Mazda can do it in a $30K vehicle, Toyota should be able to get it right in a $60K vehicle. Perhaps it's a greater challenge with the much greater horsepower of the turbo 6.

[ebirotedu]

Good question. I've always attributed the variation in how a manual transmission feels to the shifter linkage, clutch weight & engagement, and the rest to the mysterious internal workings of manual transmissions.

Having watched a few YT videos on the subject, it seems that all manuals are synchromesh these days. And most transmission gears are helically cut (with some exceptions), further easing engagement and reducing noise. Differences in transmission feel relating to engagement, and not related to the shift linkage or clutch action, probably have to do with the distance between gears (the distance the synchronizers have to move to engage a gear), the time required to fully synchronize gears, and the shifting force needed to complete synchronization.

It seems likely that transmissions designed for higher torque loads require more force to engage and complete synchronization compared to lower torque transmissions simply by virtue of the fact that the components in the heavy duty transmission are larger, have more mass, and there's also more surface area friction between mating surfaces to be overcome before the gear shift synchronization completes? Probably lots of additional implementation specific details, including the size & materials used in the synchros themselves matter too. I'm sure someone else can provide a better technical explanation.

It occurs to me that asking why some manual transmission shift well and others don't is like asking why BMW electric steering is so often criticized and Porsche's is not. (I did read/hear a theory once - no idea if it's true)

Originally Posted by StanDiego

I owned 2007 and 2012 Miatas, renowned for their short, smooth, and precise shifters. If Mazda can do it in a $30K vehicle, Toyota should be able to get it right in a $60K vehicle. Perhaps it's a greater challenge with the much greater horsepower of the turbo 6.

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by ebirotedu

Probably just me, but my choice would be Coral Red. CR and Space Grey (?) on the E92 M4 was my favorite color combo.

What was the name of that blue that the last Z4 was shown in on all the ads and brochures?

[ebirotedu]

Like this? Estoril Blue?

[CeEl]

Always liked that color. If I remember correctly, they discontinued it after LCI.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Always liked that color. If I remember correctly, they discontinued it after LCI.

It was a great looking color and I don't believe that they even offer it on the M3 and M4 as an "Individual" color.

[BMWGirlFL]

Maybe the new colors:

[//M235ixD]

Can someone render it with //M mirror and vertical grill please? I think this will be a winner!!

[ModernAngel]

Some folks are starting to get their MT manual Supras and it looks like they come with much nicer strut bars from the factory. Will be interesting to see if this carries over to the Z4.

[MrLatte]

Originally Posted by ModernAngel

Some folks are starting to get their MT manual Supras and it looks like they come with much nicer strut bars from the factory. Will be interesting to see if this carries over to the Z4.

Looks familiar

[ModernAngel]

Originally Posted by MrLatte

Looks familiar

Indeed. There were folks on the Supra forum joking it was photoshopped and what-not but it does appear Toyota upgraded those bars as stock.

Full thread here:

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/my-...e-world.14894/

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Maybe the new colors:
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If those are the new colors, it's 100% Thudernight for me.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Maybe the new colors:
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Portimao Blue would be a poor replacement for Misano Blue which IMHO is flashier and more suitable for a beautiful roadster like this. Also Skyscraper Grey is nowhere as attractive as Brooklyn Grey.

[ebirotedu]

I guess we’re all agreed then that Thundernight Metallic is the way to go.

(isn’t there also an individual paint choice option on that color card?)

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

Portimao Blue would be a poor replacement for Misano Blue which IMHO is flashier and more suitable for a beautiful roadster like this. Also Skyscraper Grey is nowhere as attractive as Brooklyn Grey.

[Horseman]

I'd love to go with that Thundernight. color. I think a frozen version of that would be the best. White or Lava interior... NOICE.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by ebirotedu

I guess we’re all agreed then that Thundernight Metallic is the way to go.

(isn’t there also an individual paint choice option on that color card?)

C37 is Frozen Grey II Metallic.

I was hoping they would bring back their Frozen Orange launch color that never shipped to the US as that would be an awesome color to drive! Frozen Orange with an ivory interior would be a head turner!

[Horseman]

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

C37 is Frozen Grey II Metallic.

I was hoping they would bring back their Frozen Orange launch color that never shipped to the US as that would be an awesome color to drive! Frozen Orange with an ivory interior would be a head turner!

This frozen orange would be my number one pick. Always loved this color and was a damn shame they never brought this to the US. The way BMW does colors is so messed up imo.

[ebirotedu]

Agreed. Frozen orange looks great, and was never available in the US. I’d be ok with another frozen color too, like blue or black. Personally, I’m a little sick of FG II - it’s like I see a Z4 in that color practically every day, or at least as often as I visit the garage.

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

C37 is Frozen Grey II Metallic.

I was hoping they would bring back their Frozen Orange launch color that never shipped to the US as that would be an awesome color to drive! Frozen Orange with an ivory interior would be a head turner!

[Amadeo]

Four frozen orange for sale in Europe
All of them 2019

[joca]

Originally Posted by jdhiro

"M power under the hood"... tell me more...

If that's an S58 with a manual I'm selling a kidney (and my M3) for this car.

Is that Thundernight purple? I love it, but I'm also hoping for Brooklyn Gray.

Skyscraper grey going to come😍