[supra93]

[supra93]

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...ideo.92/page-2

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by NytWolf

It would be sad to see the Z finally fall behind to the Supra. From conception the (Celica/)Supra had always been Toyota's response to the Datsun/Nissan Z. The Celica to the 240Z, 260Z, and 280Z. The Celica Supra to the 300ZX. The Supra to the 300ZX. For the 350Z/370Z, Toyota had nothing. Toyota kept teasing a new Supra ... for years and years. Everyone became tired of the teasers and by the time the new Supra came out, a lot of people were disappointed. They expected something like the concept car. On top of it, it isn't really even a Toyota. I think Nissan milked the 350Z and 370Z long enough, but with bringing over the GT-R, Nissan has a switched its halo car from the Z to the GT-R. Give Nissan credit though; they didn't need to co-develop a low-profit margin sports car like the mega-financial corporate that Toyota is. The only true way to tell for sure is to wait until the Z actually comes and see how Toyota responds.

I have faith in Nissan but they were at the verge of bankruptcy even before Ghosn. He didn't leave them in any better shape either, but I do give them credit for updating the Z finally.

I kinda sorta disagree. The Z car was performance at a price point for most of its life. The times when it competed with the Supra was the exception rather than the rule (though if you’re including the celica with the Supra, I guess that’s fair) The 240Z was incredibly cheap for the performance it offered. In the 80’s and 90’s they went upmarket along with the Supra, but the 350z brought it right back down to cheap performance, with a sub $30k asking price and the same horsepower as a mustang GT, along with a more sophisticated chassis than the mustang. I’ll be very pleased if they can repeat that, offering the horsepower and price point of a mustang GT in a sportier, lighter chassis.

[c1pher]

I loved my 2003 350z and I was so excited when they brought the Z back after cancelling the 300zx. I couldn’t afford a 300zx at the time since they got fairly expensive. I’m looking forward to seeing what they do here and frankly is long overdue. I could see myself driving another Z if they get all the numbers and the look right.

[FrostyDC4]

Originally Posted by super51fan

It will definitely be neutered due to the state of Nissan, but they currently have all the pieces to make a car that outsells the Supra. Because of this, they will very little development costs assuming they are using the same platform. Although that would mean it probably will be outperformed by the Supra, it doesn't need to be the better car to be an engaging driver's car or to outsell the Supra.

Using the Q50 as a base for pricing (which is a 300hp TT V6 for $36k) and prices of 370z performance options (which is $4k for LSD and larger brakes) I think they could have a pricing structure like this with both 6mt and auto options across the board:

Base: 300hp - $32k
Base w/ sport package: 300hp, LSD, big brakes, optional leather - $36k
Sport: 400hp - $42k
Nismo (delayed release): 500hp - $50k

This pricing structure greatly undercuts the Supra even if it doesn't perform as well.

I cant wait until tomorrow for more details


If they price a base car with the VR30DDTT under 40k with a 6MT they will have a hard time keeping them in the showroom considering the 2.0T Supra starts in the mid 40's. I hope Nissan works out the kinks in the VR30 that were present when the Q50/60 debuted

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by FrostyDC4

I cant wait until tomorrow for more details


If they price a base car with the VR30DDTT under 40k with a 6MT they will have a hard time keeping them in the showroom considering the 2.0T Supra starts in the mid 40's. I hope Nissan works out the kinks in the VR30 that were present when the Q50/60 debuted

I can't wait either, competition is a great thing. Especially with the upcoming M240i as well as the Z, I wonder what Toyota will do to respond

[supra93]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I loved my 2003 350z and I was so excited when they brought the Z back after cancelling the 300zx. I couldn’t afford a 300zx at the time since they got fairly expensive. I’m looking forward to seeing what they do here and frankly is long overdue. I could see myself driving another Z if they get all the numbers and the look right.

Funny how you can find them on CL all day for $5k or less now.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by supra93

Funny how you can find them on CL all day for $5k or less now.

Nissan truly milked that platform for all it was worth to include the Infiniti G coupe. I actually liked the G35 a little better but it was a little pricier. And that was the time when Infiniti was expanding and dealers weren’t interested in discounting prices where Nissan would.

[FrostyDC4]

Originally Posted by supra93

Funny how you can find them on CL all day for $5k or less now.

The interiors were terrible on the 03-05 cars and the 6MT trans have a ton of QC issues despite being revised 9 times, and these cars will probably need the suspension bushings overhauled (think a $1500 - $2000 job).

[FrostyDC4]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Nissan truly milked that platform for all it was worth to include the Infiniti G coupe. I actually liked the G35 a little better but it was a little pricier. And that was the time when Infiniti was expanding and dealers weren’t interested in discounting prices where Nissan would.

A lot of cars (including an SUV) used the FM platform.

[supra93]

I was talking about the 300ZX.

Any who, about 20 more hrs to go!

[kaputt]

For all the complaints a lot of us enthusiasts have about the state of the car industry these days, it's honestly pretty cool that in a year or two you'll be able to choose between the new Nissan Z, the re-done 86/BRZ, and the Supra. Plus the Miata and the Porsche 718 are still out there as well.

That's a decent mix of driver oriented sports cars still on the market; all with recent releases and/or updates. Considering the love for SUVs, pick-ups, crossovers, electric, etc... by today's consumer, I'm pretty happy we'll have these choices.

I will likely buy one of them. Tentative leader's right now are the new BRZ/86 and the Z, if they can actually deliver on some meaningful performance and style updates plus get the pricing in a good ball park. I would love to move to a 718 but that still may be out of my price bracket unfortunately.

Bottom line, I'm looking forward to learning more about the new Z.

[W///]

I'm definitely excited for the unveil. Not too often an affordable sports car gets released these days. More often than not, it's crazy 6 figure electric cars or super cars which I've lost interest in a long time ago

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by kaputt

I will likely buy one of them. Tentative leader's right now are the new BRZ/86 and the Z, if they can actually deliver on some meaningful performance and style updates plus get the pricing in a good ball park. I would love to move to a 718 but that still may be out of my price bracket unfortunately.

Bottom line, I'm looking forward to learning more about the new Z.

Times have not been kind to sports cars, but i agree, there is some, not a lot, but glad to see at least the Japanese is trying to make fun sporty cars that are affordable but allows the odd 'lost of control' during the mundane daily commute.

I have a hard time believing this will be any better than the Supra as a sports car (former 370Z owner here, and can't believe it was once called a sports car), but what it can do is keep it close but undercut the Supra in price, and they need to take a page out of the MX5, keep the Z simple. Manual in the middle, mechanical LSD in the back, hydralic (maybe electric, not that BS steer by wire)steering that works, brakes that can handle a few hot laps, not a few emergency stops before it gives up completely. A fuel tank that will not starve the engine going around right handers. Give it a bit of retro style, maybe it can at least rub off of the success of the Mustang by going retro.

[R N M]

Very excited for this car and im not a Nissan fan. Always liked the original Z and great to see this will be retro design. Turbo V6, manual, and hopefully proper interior/seats for $45-50k.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by super51fan

Using the Q50 as a base for pricing (which is a 300hp TT V6 for $36k) and prices of 370z performance options (which is $4k for LSD and larger brakes) I think they could have a pricing structure like this with both 6mt and auto options across the board:

Bare bones: 248hp 4 cylinder - $28k
Base: 300hp - $32k
Base w/ sport package: 300hp, LSD, big brakes, optional leather - $36k
Sport: 400hp - $42k
Nismo (delayed release): 500hp - $50k

This pricing structure greatly undercuts the Supra even if it doesn't perform as well.

I would like to amend this and add a potential VC 4 cylinder turbo starting at ~$28k to compete directly with the 86. This would allow Nissan to compete with both 86 and Supra with only one vehicle as well as having offerings relatively competitive to pony cars.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by super51fan

Nismo (delayed release): 500hp

What level of confidence does the rumor mill place on such a model actually coming to market?

Assuming it does make it:

- Is there expectation that we'll see a 500hp version of the VR30DETT?

- Or, is this going to be a larger displacement VR, perhaps somewhere in between the current 30 and 38?

- Oooor... are we into hybrid territory, perhaps something rising from the ashes of "Project Black S"?

I'll have to do some Googling - this car hasn't been on my radar. For a while there, it seemed like the chances of a new Z were approaching 0%. I'm glad they are pulling things together, and I agree with some others above who suggest this could really leave the Supra's shortcomings embarrassingly exposed.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

What level of confidence does the rumor mill place on such a model actually coming to market?

Assuming it does make it:

- Is there expectation that we'll see a 500hp version of the VR30DETT?

- Or, is this going to be a larger displacement VR, perhaps somewhere in between the current 30 and 38?

- Oooor... are we into hybrid territory, perhaps something rising from the ashes of "Project Black S"?

I'll have to do some Googling - this car hasn't been on my radar. For a while there, it seemed like the chances of a new Z were approaching 0%. I'm glad they are pulling things together, and I agree with some others above who suggest this could really leave the Supra's shortcomings embarrassingly exposed.

Personally I think it is low until the current GTR is discontinued. After that I would assume it is a tuned ~500hp VR30 to leave room for the rumored next gen hybrid GTR on top of that.

Simple timeless styling, all Japanese, optional manual, and affordable is exactly what the Supra is missing in the eyes of critics and this is exactly that.

[Humdizzle]

i'll be tuning in tonight.

the car will have plenty of power, especially with aftermarket support so im not worried there. More so just want to see the styling, how good the interior is, and mainly if they can get the weight to 3000 pounds or less. Doubt it happens but maybe.

[FrostyDC4]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

What level of confidence does the rumor mill place on such a model actually coming to market?

Assuming it does make it:

- Is there expectation that we'll see a 500hp version of the VR30DETT?

- Or, is this going to be a larger displacement VR, perhaps somewhere in between the current 30 and 38?

- Oooor... are we into hybrid territory, perhaps something rising from the ashes of "Project Black S"?

I'll have to do some Googling - this car hasn't been on my radar. For a while there, it seemed like the chances of a new Z were approaching 0%. I'm glad they are pulling things together, and I agree with some others above who suggest this could really leave the Supra's shortcomings embarrassingly exposed.

I doubt that its going to get more than 400HP considering that the Q50/60 RS has sensors built into the turbos that monitors RPM (which is being monitored by the factory ECU). This also means that the 300HP car will be the one to get for modding. The power figures of the Z33/Z34 have always been aligned with the V35/V36 Skyline that debuted

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by R N M

Very excited for this car and im not a Nissan fan. Always liked the original Z and great to see this will be retro design. Turbo V6, manual, and hopefully proper interior/seats for $45-50k.

As a former owner of one of the very first 350Zs, I too am very excited to see what Nissan unveils. I will go out on a limb and proclaim it will "be in high demand" from enthusiasts and buyers looking for a Sports Car below $50k.
It will be a Halo car for Nissan until the next Gen GT-R arrives....

[supra93]