New 2021 Lexus IS Sedan

Burrcold · 10-02-2020, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

As a previous owner of an IS350, the IS350 been to the dealership 10x more than my M3. 4 recalls, 5 bulletin repairs, numerous warranty work. Mind you, some of these were major bulletin repairs. Cam rattle which required new cam gears. Airbag harness was too short causing airbag to not activate (required airbag harness to be completely rewired to the ECU).

My 2018 M3 I had for 3 years with 25k miles hasn't even been to the dealership once. Many other people with F80 M3 on this forum are sharing the same sentiment about the reliability of the F80 M3.

Sounds like you had a lemon. I've owned two IS's and they were both exceptional when it came to reliability.

MisterF80M3 · 10-02-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

Sounds like you had a lemon. I've owned two IS's and they were both exceptional when it came to reliability.

Not necessarily. Most if not all IS350 had the same issue. There are giant threads on Clublexus on the cam gear rattle and airbag issues.

Recalls aren't really reliability issue. They were safety and design issue.

BMWILUVU · 10-03-2020, 07:50 PM

There were problems with the Lexus models so reliability is a moot point add that to the so-so performance and ugly styling.

Burrcold · 10-03-2020, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

There were problems with the Lexus models so reliability is a moot point add that to the so-so performance and ugly styling.

Lexus reliability is a moot point when compared to German vehicles? That's laughable even these days when everyone is stepping up their quality. Lexus may use a lot of older technology and engineering, and you may not like their styling but to say they are on par reliability wise with big G-3 is not correct.

MisterF80M3 · 10-03-2020, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

Lexus reliability is a moot point when compared to German vehicles? That's laughable even these days when everyone is stepping up their quality. Lexus may use a lot of older technology and engineering, and you may not like their styling but to say they are on par reliability wise with big G-3 is not correct.

Incorrect, BMW, Porsche, and VW are not too far behind Lexus with Porsche actually scoring better than Toyota in terms of reliability.

Burrcold · 10-03-2020, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

Incorrect, BMW, Porsche, and VW are not too far behind Lexus with Porsche actually scoring better than Toyota in terms of reliability.

JD Power is total BS. Honestly if you can say that Volkswagen has close to the same reliability as Lexus (do it with a straight face) I'll be the first to shake your hand. I've had several Toyota/Lexus vehicles and several (recent) VAG group vehicles, and I'm sorry but they are not there. Either is BMW but they are getting better. Porsche has always been high on that list so no big surprise there.

BMWILUVU · 10-04-2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

JD Power is total BS. Honestly if you can say that Volkswagen has close to the same reliability as Lexus (do it with a straight face) I'll be the first to shake your hand. I've had several Toyota/Lexus vehicles and several (recent) VAG group vehicles, and I'm sorry but they are not there. Either is BMW but they are getting better. Porsche has always been high on that list so no big surprise there.

Go ahead sell your BMW and buy a Lexus. Put your action where your mouth is. I've not have problems with my BMW whereas my buddy's Lexus is always the butt of his complaints.

super51fan · 10-04-2020, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

Go ahead sell your BMW and buy a Lexus. Put your action where your mouth is. I've not have problems with my BMW whereas my buddy's Lexus is always the butt of his complaints.

So you have to own a Lexus if you think they are more reliable? You can acknowledge another company’s reliability without owning one and that in no way is hypocritical.

Burrcold · 10-04-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

Go ahead sell your BMW and buy a Lexus. Put your action where your mouth is. I've not have problems with my BMW whereas my buddy's Lexus is always the butt of his complaints.

Reliability isn't the top of my list when it comes to buying...driving dynamics are which is why I did sell a Lexus to get into German cars. Doesn't mean I can't still think a Lexus is generally more reliable.

At least my opinion is coming from owning several of them and several German cars...not a buddy that has one and it seems unreliable.

BMWILUVU · 10-04-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

Reliability isn't the top of my list when it comes to buying...driving dynamics are which is why I did sell a Lexus to get into German cars. Doesn't mean I can't still think a Lexus is generally more reliable.

At least my opinion is coming from owning several of them and several German cars...not a buddy that has one and it seems unreliable.

I never said Lexus was not more reliable than BMW overall. I said the IS reliability is a moot point since the 3 series is reliable and your action proves my points in this thread. It is a boring car and is barely more reliable.

Burrcold · 10-04-2020, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

I never said Lexus was not more reliable than BMW overall. I said the IS reliability is a moot point since the 3 series is reliable and your action proves my points in this thread. It is a boring car and is barely more reliable.

How do my "actions" prove your point? Both of my IS's never had any issues whatsoever. In my last few years owning Audi and BMW I've never spent so much time in service at the dealerships...for me that's okay because again the level of engagement and sport is much higher (but that has nothing and says nothing about quality).

Burrcold · 10-04-2020, 09:27 PM

You deleted your post that was supposed to prove me wrong? Haha I guess you realized that the source you linked showed the 3 Series of the same year to have 4 times the amount of TSBs/recalls etc. Funny.

MisterF80M3 · 10-04-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

You deleted your post that was supposed to prove me wrong? Haha I guess you realized that the source you linked showed the 3 Series of the same year to have 4 times the amount of TSBs/recalls etc. Funny.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Lexus/IS_350/2015/tsbs/

267 TSIB. These are well known issues that are directly from Lexus not from consumers.

I thought you said it has 0 problems?

MisterF80M3 · 10-04-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

You deleted your post that was supposed to prove me wrong? Haha I guess you realized that the source you linked showed the 3 Series of the same year to have 4 times the amount of TSBs/recalls etc. Funny.

I deleted it because I didn't want to bother arguing with a Lexus fanboy.

BTW, where is the 4x TSB?

187 for a 2017 M3. I don't even see an option for 2018 M3.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/BMW/M3/2017/tsbs/

Burrcold · 10-04-2020, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Lexus/IS_350/2015/tsbs/

267 TSIB. These are well known issues that are directly from Lexus not from consumers.

I thought you said it has 0 problems?

You do realize that you are looking at a 2015 model...and no, I didn't have any of these issues. Anyways I'm done.

309xi · 10-04-2020, 10:37 PM

Can we all just agree that neither BMW nor Lexus are doing the automotive world any favors with the grille designs they're currently pushing in our faces?

The Lexus gives me flashbacks to this thing when I see it coming at me. (And I don't wanna get in trouble over the BMW version)

th868 · 10-05-2020, 01:51 AM

Lol i don’t think you will

King Rudi · 10-05-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

As a previous owner of an IS350, the IS350 been to the dealership 10x more than my M3. 4 recalls, 5 bulletin repairs, numerous warranty work. Mind you, some of these were major bulletin repairs. Cam rattle which required new cam gears. Airbag harness was too short causing airbag to not activate (required airbag harness to be completely rewired to the ECU).

My 2018 M3 I had for 3 years with 25k miles hasn't even been to the dealership once. Many other people with F80 M3 on this forum are sharing the same sentiment about the reliability of the F80 M3.

Awesome! Glad your M3 is doing great. Currently driving my second IS. Got rid of my 2nd BMW to get this one. All car manufacturers and models all have models that have issues. My two BMW's, constantly needed attention. Both Lexus, oil changes and tires....that's it, for the entire ownership. Recalls happen with manufacturers so I don't really consider those unless it occurs often. Most people I know that own Lexus, came from BMW.....and it wasn't because their BMW ran flawlessly without failure.

With that being said, I am looking at C63's and M4's.

David70 · 10-05-2020, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

Incorrect, BMW, Porsche, and VW are not too far behind Lexus with Porsche actually scoring better than Toyota in terms of reliability.

This J. D. Powers study rates cars in the first three years of ownership, anything that a customer complains about is a knock against the brand, even if it's that the customer can't figure out how to use something or doesn't like how it functions, and while you say BMW isn't that far behind, it has almost 25% more "issues" than Lexus (100 to 123)

First 3 years of ownership I also wouldn't worry about any car as worst case is the manufacturer fixes it. The "I had an "X" and it wasn't reliable isn't a valid study. If given the option in two 5-10 year old used cars with dependability being the criteria virtually everyone would choose the Lexus over a BMW.

mousefarmer · 10-05-2020, 09:57 AM

Every time I see the front grill on a Lexus I'm thinking of someone with braces with mouth being stretched open wide by a dentist.

That is not the sort of image you want for a brand.

I still think the ugly, oversize kidneys on front of the new BMW looks better than the Lexus front grill.

MmmmmM2 · 10-05-2020, 11:08 AM

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Look at 6:35 of the video, listen to the paddle click and notice just how slow it is to shift.

Turrible!

MmmmmM2 · 10-05-2020, 12:16 PM

Oh and real quick. My 2018 340i has had less reliability issues than my 2017 IS350 through the same amount of miles.

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