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      08-19-2017, 09:14 AM   #221
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Generally it's a nice design but seems a bit contrived. I don't get that it will even be larger than the outgoing one but lighter. Just make it lighter and smaller. Also, the ragtop ugh.
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Except... What's with the split fabric in the cabin? Thats just fugly! Lets just hope that doesn't happen!
I think it looks fantastic. But I don't expect it to make it to production. Except maybe as an option?
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Few things to note based on my convo with a few heads there.

1. Rearview and side view mirrors will not make it as they are obviously too small.

2. Windshield most likely won't be in that shape either. It's a nice design but not that functional.

3. This was purely a concept car as there was no top nor was there even a place to put a top in (soft or hard).

4. The doors are supposedly opened by pushing a button at the top of the doors where they meet the rear panels of the car.

5. Met and chatted with a lady who does colors for BMW. Learned that they can do virtually any individual customization you want, so long that you're willing to pay. For example, diamond encrusted paint or trim panels.

6. Taillights were OLED. Expecting these to make it to production.

7. Wheels and tires were for show because they're way too big to even function properly. Tires were Michelin Sport Cup 2. Wheels were VW-esque. We'll see what they'll put in the production version.

I highly doubt that 90% will make it to production as per Adrian. I think it will change quite a bit. I think around 60-70% is more like it.
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That's just bizarre reporting in my mind. Or maybe there is some figure of speech being used that gets lost in translation. At any rate, Autobild is a publication who is best known for their sensationalism and glamour shots as you can see from the photographs with the staff member. They have been known to make things up or exaggerate, so they are typically not the place to go if you want reliable info.
Possibly. Yet they are the only ones that have one of their staff sit in the car and not just pictures from the reveal but some other location. They also say that (some) content may be flicked from one screen to the other - which I thought interesting and not reported anywhere else. May or may not be true, may or may not end up in the final car.
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En profil the Z4 Concept looks short and a little bit 'chunky', in other words: not very sleek and elegant looking, what you should expect from a classic roadster...
...that's why I overlayed the Z4 Concept over the E89 Z4to compare the both. I scaled the Z4 Concept down, based on the 20" rim.

Lengthwise both are nearly equal. Only the wheelbase and positioning of the wheels are different. The overhang on the front and the lower windscreen seems to change the proportions of the car.









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Few things to note based on my convo with a few heads there.

1. Rearview and side view mirrors will not make it as they are obviously too small.
Are those mirrors or the current rage, cameras? The concept Mercedes have them, too.
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Few things to note based on my convo with a few heads there.

1. Rearview and side view mirrors will not make it as they are obviously too small.

2. Windshield most likely won't be in that shape either. It's a nice design but not that functional.

3. This was purely a concept car as there was no top nor was there even a place to put a top in (soft or hard).

4. The doors are supposedly opened by pushing a button at the top of the doors where they meet the rear panels of the car.

5. Met and chatted with a lady who does colors for BMW. Learned that they can do virtually any individual customization you want, so long that you're willing to pay. For example, diamond encrusted paint or trim panels.

6. Taillights were OLED. Expecting these to make it to production.

7. Wheels and tires were for show because they're way too big to even function properly. Tires were Michelin Sport Cup 2. Wheels were VW-esque. We'll see what they'll put in the production version.

I highly doubt that 90% will make it to production as per Adrian. I think it will change quite a bit. I think around 60-70% is more like it.
No Adrian is right and yes both the Z4,X2,8er and next months X7 are 90% from production.
The Z4 has a simple folding soft top which will be located behind the front seats and added roll-over protection hoops.
The styling elements such as the crisp lines and less frantic surface treatments are visible on the prototypes. However we will shortly see the prototypes with full headlights and tail lights and you will see that the outlines are retained but some of the lighting details are not fully.

The Z4 brings ideas illustrated back in 2011 on the Vision ConnectedDrive but in a more modern and progressive form.
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No Adrian is right and yes both the Z4,X2,8er and next months X7 are 90% from production.
The Z4 has a simple folding soft top which will be located behind the front seats and added roll-over protection hoops.
The styling elements such as the crisp lines and less frantic surface treatments are visible on the prototypes. However we will shortly see the prototypes with full headlights and tail lights and you will see that the outlines are retained but some of the lighting details are not fully.

The Z4 brings ideas illustrated back in 2011 on the Vision ConnectedDrive but in a more modern and progressive form.
I hope they keep the tail lights as on the concept! I never saw so incredibly beautiful lights before
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New 2018 BMW Z4 previewed by bold concept at Pebble Beach

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BMW Concept Z4 shows potential look of new Roadster, and we’ve spoken to its designer Marc Girard

BMW chose this year’s Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance to unveil its Concept Z4, a machine that reveals how the 2018 production Roadster will look. There are elements of the Concept that won’t make production but approximately 80 per cent of this ‘Energetic Orange Matt’ design study will morph into a showroom-ready machine during the course of next year.

It’s a bold statement by BMW and coupled with the recently revealed 8 Series Concept clearly previews how the next generation of BMWs will look. The overall effect is one of lithe aggression and should suit the Z4 perfectly with a low shark-nosed front-end that rises in a wedge shape to the muscular rear haunches. Like the 8 Series there’s a delicate sliver of carbon fibre jutting out as a front spoiler element.

The Concept Z4 has a number of styling elements not seen before on a BMW, particularly around the front of the car. The traditional BMW kidney grilles are still present but they’re wider than ever before and feature a new mesh type design rather than the familiar slatted look that we’re accustomed to. The width of the kidneys has forced the headlights to the extremities and while they still contain the expected twin light setup the lights themselves are stacked one on top of the other which is a first for a BMW.

The bonnet is a wide clamshell design which stretches part way down the front wings and the bonnet itself is devoid of design elements bar two bold strakes designed to allow heat from the engine bay to escape. Where the clamshell bonnet ends on the wings is the start of a powerful swage line that runs up the side of the car, through the doors, and ends at the top of the L-shaped LED rear light clusters. Aft of the front wheels are large air-breathers capped with a piece of carbon fibre and these are the start of a scalloped area on the Z4’s flanks, which again rises up the to accentuate the powerful rear arches and rear-wheel drivetrain.

In profile it’s apparent the driver is more centrally situated in this generation of Z4 than in the previous two incarnations and Marc Girard, the car’s designer, says this is to really accentuate the fact that the driver is the main focus. This Z4 should be lighter than the outgoing car too as it now features a fabric hood rather than a folding hardtop. For the Concept the hood has been removed which allowed the design team to fit the sculpted fairings behind the headrests which look wonderful, but we’re not sure whether it will be possible to integrate these with the hood for the production car.

It’s been designed first and foremost to be a driver’s car and this is echoed within the cockpit where the passenger side features the same hue as the outside of the Z4 but the driver’s side has its own black colour scheme, again focussing on the driver. Like the 8 Series Concept the major controls are sited in what BMW calls ‘islands’ so all the driving modes are clustered around the stubby gear lever and the heating controls are around the air vents. The dashpod is an all-digital affair while the main central monitor butts up to the dashpod allowing a flow of information from the main monitor to the instrument cluster with the driver able to choose what information is displayed.

As this is a Concept BMW is keeping tight-lipped over what engines will power the Z4 but both the 2.0-litre four-cylinder and 3.0-litre six-cylinder turbocharged units will feature with outputs ranging from 187 to 355bhp and we would expect a PHEV ‘e’-badged version too. Whether there will be an M version remains to be seen – the last Z4 didn’t feature a full-fat M version – but as this next generation Z4 promises a more focussed driving experience we would expect an M Performance version at the very least.

Q&A with Marc Girard, head of BMW Concept Design

What is the inspiration behind the Concept Z4?


“From our heritage, but we want to reinterpret everything at the same time. We’re not doing retro, we want to reinvent key items like the kidneys and headlights and the goal is to make all our cars full of character, keeping the iconic design cues but newly translated for each model.”

How would you say the Concept Z4 differs from the outgoing model?

“The top topic when designing the car was the ‘Ultimate Driving Machine’. To make it more agile we reduced the wheelbase – from a semantic standpoint it clearly tells the story that the driver is in the middle of everything.”

So it sounds like it will be sportier than the previous Z4?

“What we want to convey with the proportions is clearly performance – it’s a driver’s car, it’s a sports car, it’s super agile, it’s light-footed and extremely dynamic.”

How close is the Concept to the production car?

“We are basically previewing the production car. Here we have 80 per cent of the hard core engineering requirements in terms of aerodynamics and cooling and things like that so we are, in effect, previewing a close to production model.”

What’s your favourite part?

“That’s hard to say, but I particularly like the fairings behind the headrests with the carbon fibre insert that goes all the way inside and the milled one-piece aluminium which is semi clear coated and semi matt – they’re gorgeous pieces of sculpture."

And what’s underneath the Concept?

“Oh, a normal BMW engine… we had plenty of choice!”
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/z4/...t-pebble-beach
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Just saw it. Looks pretty nice in person. The profile looks great. The rear kind of reminds me of an Infinity. At least the taillights.
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I don?t really think they buff the marketing department and give them a bigger budget because they think they are designing shit
No offense, but as the owner of a 320d of all models, I'm not sure you'd be the best judge on what's core BMW versus mass market. I have had many BMWs and always admired the brand, but some of their recent designs and offerings are pretty watered down. Only the M cars are true to their original ethos.
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I don?t really think they buff the marketing department and give them a bigger budget because they think they are designing shit
No offense, but as the owner of a 320d of all models, I'm not sure you'd be the best judge on what's core BMW versus mass market. I have had many BMWs and always admired the brand, but some of their recent designs and offerings are pretty watered down. Only the M cars are true to their original ethos.
Even ///M is getting watered down. The "new" M5 if you can call it new (Same engine as the last generation) will only have an auto tranny.

Wow. The mighty have fallen.

BMW is the German Toyota

This car is proof of that
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I don?t really think they buff the marketing department and give them a bigger budget because they think they are designing shit
No offense, but as the owner of a 320d of all models, I'm not sure you'd be the best judge on what's core BMW versus mass market. I have had many BMWs and always admired the brand, but some of their recent designs and offerings are pretty watered down. Only the M cars are true to their original ethos.
No offence, but no matter what car I drive and what you drive does it make my statement less true? Do you think they buff the marketing department because they found out they designed some shit? If no: why does it matter what we drive? If yes - wow
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Even ///M is getting watered down. The "new" M5 if you can call it new (Same engine as the last generation) will only have an auto tranny.

Wow. The mighty have fallen.

BMW is the German Toyota

This car is proof of that
I mostly agree. BMW has definitely lost that edge. There iscmore technology in the cars, but they have also bent over to mainstream mass market appeal. With that said, I do reserve judgement on the new transmission though because the Auto in the new Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is smoking performance-wise. Having just come out of a DCT, I've been pleasantly surprised but it's lightening fast precision and smoothness.
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"So it sounds like it will be sportier than the previous Z4?

“What we want to convey with the proportions is clearly performance – it’s a driver’s car, it’s a sports car, it’s super agile, it’s light-footed and extremely dynamic.”"

if they are so compromised with the character of the car being above everything sporty, then it seems odd to me that they aren't producing an M version from the get-go? Isnt that the point of the M division?

Thats the only 2 seater they're building..i don't understand why they rather build M-SUVs but not a proper 2 seater in M guise? This car deserves it..actually its about the only car in the line up apart from the M3/4 that necessarily should receive their blessing. Fits more than anything else their philosophy. I bet ppl at M are having wet dreams about receiving the green light to pump this car.
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BMW Concept Z4 shines on the Concept Lawn at Pebble Beach

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The newly unveiled BMW Concept Z4 made its way this weekend to the Concept Lawn at Pebble Beach, joining the likes of Infiniti Pebble Beach Retro Concept, Italdesign Zerouno, Genesis GV80, Mercedes-Maybach Vision 6, Spyker C8 Preliator Spyder and Aston Martin Vanquish Zagato Speedster. The production Z4 is a joint project between BMW and Toyota. The platform will also underpin a Toyota sports car that’s expected to be the long-awaited successor to the Supra.

The concept features a special “energetic orange matt” paintjob and a shark-like front end that hints at the future nose of other upcoming BMWs. The traditional BMW “kidney” grilles at the front are wider than ever before and have a mesh pattern rather than the normal slats.

The Concept Z4 features squinting headlights that sweep upward toward wedge-shaped lines on the side. The side view reveals the front and rear overhangs are short, and the cabin moves slightly forward. The air intakes are low and wide, giving a focused look.

Marc Girard, head of BMW Concept Design, told Auto Express: “We are basically previewing the production car.

“Here we have 80 per cent of the hard core engineering requirements in terms of aerodynamics and cooling and things like that so we are, in effect, previewing a close to production model.

“What we want to convey with the proportions is clearly performance – it’s a driver’s car, it’s a sports car, it’s super agile, it’s light-footed and extremely dynamic.”

It’s believed that when the Z4 comes to production, it will carry both four- and six-cylinder engines, like most of the rest of BMW’s lineup.

The Z4 is slated to launch as a 2019 model by this time next year.
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