[Kit523]

best looking car ever

[0700700]

if i were a good enough driver i would ... but since im not i got a CLS55

[BMW F22]

I dont like that show as much as Top Gear. 5th Gear just doenst sound enthusiastic enough.

[ynotony]

It suffers from understeer she says? I would think all the weight at the back would make it suffer from oversteer.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by ynotony

It suffers from understeer she says? I would think all the weight at the back would make it suffer from oversteer.

It's weird. I thought that if the front plows into a corner (meaning that it turns too much) then we have oversteer. If the front doesnt turn as much as we want to then it's understeer. I made a comment like that before and it turned out I was wrong. Im wondering if I even got the word "plow" right.

As for the GT3. I think she was correct in that. When you turn the back end weighs more so it doesnt follow the corner as quickly as the front thereby inducing understeer.

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by BMWE90

I dont like that show as much as Top Gear. 5th Gear just doenst sound enthusiastic enough.

yeah top gear... is better.

[diesel007]

Here is my dream...

[FirstClass]

That lady is stupid. (Or maybe I am wrong about everything I know of car handling characteristics) Less weight in the front makes it easier for the front to change direction. No understeer. And all those shots of her wagging the tail around corners mean it oversteers if anything.

[ska///235i]

The steering wheel is up to her nose

Nice freaking car

[SpecC]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

That lady is stupid. (Or maybe I am wrong about everything I know of car handling characteristics) Less weight in the front makes it easier for the front to change direction. No understeer. And all those shots of her wagging the tail around corners mean it oversteers if anything.

she used to be a profressional racecar driver. what about you?

Originally Posted by BMWE90

As for the GT3. I think she was correct in that. When you turn the back end weighs more so it doesnt follow the corner as quickly as the front thereby inducing understeer.

i believe that is a qft. sounds very logical to me

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

That lady is stupid. (Or maybe I am wrong about everything I know of car handling characteristics) Less weight in the front makes it easier for the front to change direction. No understeer. And all those shots of her wagging the tail around corners mean it oversteers if anything.

ROFLOL. She definitely is not. Because of LESS weight in the front the front wheels aren't feeling the road like cars with a engine 'between' those front wheels. The rear engine 'pushes' it straight forward like a speedboat inducing :Understeer.

(A Ferrari mid engine does almost the same but a little 'less)

This is what 'every' 911 suffers from. I've driven several 911s , also RS's and they all do that when turning in.(The 1 model more/less than another) Putting power 'on' you first create a neutral stance and because of the REAR engine (it's mounted in the back, not between the driver and the rear axles)the traction is theortically best for ANY 'rwd' car. It's like a pendulum. But beware. Too much power gives you a snapy back end. It's all about balance (In any car ftm) Braking a 911 (rwd)is also 'better' because of the engine layout: The rear mounted engine keeps the whole back end on the ground(horizontally) when braking, so you can apply more braking power (at the back end as well before locking the rear wheels)resulting in shorter stopping distances.

A big heavy (FWD) front mounted car has TOO much weight in the front and suffers from understeer as well. Every car initiates in understeer first. (Wants to go straight ahead instead of turning in)Midbend and out of the bend is what 'layout' the car has and what the driver is doing at that time(power on/off whatever)

It's about balance.Can you imagine what I'm trying to explain here?

Old 911s aren't exactly my favourites, the basis layout sucked(And F.A. Porsche knew that too) A Cayman mid engined car 'should be better' and it is(I think)but the 911 has it's merits and history in racing.

997 GT3(RS) is incredible.

[Master Deep]

Originally Posted by BMWE90

It's weird. I thought that if the front plows into a corner (meaning that it turns too much) then we have oversteer. If the front doesnt turn as much as we want to then it's understeer. I made a comment like that before and it turned out I was wrong. Im wondering if I even got the word "plow" right.

As for the GT3. I think she was correct in that. When you turn the back end weighs more so it doesnt follow the corner as quickly as the front thereby inducing understeer.

Plowing = Understeer

I'm pretty sure it means the car pushes wide into corners, which means understeer.

Most 911's are setup to understeer a little so the general public does not kill themselves. Just never lift or brake during a turn. Since the engine is in the back, when u brake or lift off, the weight transfers to the front, which is fine in a straight line. But do it in a corner and that will send the back end out. Not as much anymore in modern 911's due to PSM, but still very possible. Understeer can be corrected w/ proper modulation of the throtle.

[Master Deep]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Old 911s aren't exactly my favourites, the basis layout sucked(And F.A. Porsche knew that too) A Cayman mid engined car 'should be better' and it is(I think)but the 911 has it's merits and history in racing.

U r correct. Except everyone knows that Porsche can't make their Cayman/Boxster faster than their 911. So they limit the power so they don't take away sales from the 911. Now a Cayman w/ 911 power would be amazing. But it won't happen unless u go RUF.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Master Deep

Plowing = Understeer

I'm pretty sure it means the car pushes wide into corners, which means understeer.

Most 911's are setup to understeer a little so the general public does not kill themselves. Just never lift or brake during a turn. Since the engine is in the back, when u brake or lift off, the weight transfers to the front, which is fine in a straight line. But do it in a corner and that will send the back end out. Not as much anymore in modern 911's due to PSM, but still very possible. Understeer can be corrected w/ proper modulation of the throtle.

Yeah I know this. I guess I misunderstood the word "plow". I thought that i means the car plunges into the corner. I guess I mixed those 2 words up.
Anyhoo, I prefer oversteer cus it's easy to counter and just simply more fun.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Master Deep

U r correct. Except everyone knows that Porsche can't make their Cayman/Boxster faster than their 911. So they limit the power so they don't take away sales from the 911. Now a Cayman w/ 911 power would be amazing. But it won't happen unless u go RUF.

Half a year ago at the Nuerburgring I talked to a RUF employee parking Alois Ruf's RT 12 at the parking lot. 650BHP rwd.You prolly know the baby blue car.

I have some pics in my cell phone but dunno how to upload it. Stupid me.

This one:

[Master Deep]

Yep. I love the RT12 and that's my favorite color for the car. Not too big a fan of the green. Unfortunately, the car starts at $250kish and runs up past $300k.