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      12-05-2019, 02:37 PM   #1233
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yeah its all dick measuring. people like to quote numbers to make their car look better. just like people with M3s think they need a 100hp tune to 'unlock their cars potential'. Those same guys leave traction control on 24/7 which probably robs them of 150hp in the first two gears. When you ask them to turn off dsc and drive it hard around backroads they look at you like you're crazy.
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“you might be right there. i think i looked up the ZL1 time. Found a thread on the camaro forums saying the ss 1le is about the same time as a Z28 on most tracks. So around 7:37. Same time as a CS.”

This same person quotes drag racing times, trap speeds often enough as well as comparing cars on tracks with turns. That dude is dick measuring also then isn’t he?
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Since you posted this in the C8 thread and no one here has a C8 so dick measuring doesn’t quite apply, just guys shooting the shit with other car guys. Talking performance numbers is something the vast majority of performance car people do. If numbers weren’t talked about by people who buy these cars there wouldn’t be hundreds of sites, tv shows, magazines, blogs.... of guys thrashing cars to see what they can do and how to make them do it better and faster. Nor would be there a need for every perf car maker to get their new projects to tracks ASAP to lay down low numbers.

Many of us do take our cars on tracks when we can but it’s really irrelevant, most cars that perform well on the track perform well on the street also. Most of us when lined up at a red light side by side with a worthy opponent and there’s open road ahead and cop free will indulge in a contest of speed. Most guys talk racing and race when they can, on the street or on the track. It’s the American way and the way of many lands.

There are those who don’t talk performance numbers, hp, tq and all that good stuff but I think it’s limited to little old ladies, guys who are pissed because their ride doesn’t measure up and that metrosexual creep in pajamas curled up on the couch by itself sipping hot cocoa in the Hillary add a couple years ago.
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They do it because it's a dick measuring contest. I don't get off about hearing how fast my car, or another car, can go around a circuit. Doesn't pertain to me (my skills), my car and its setup (or lack thereof), my location (in regards to tracks), nothing. 100% irrelevant for almost 100% of people.
You sure do assume a lot. Dick measuring contest? Feeling inadequate?

I care about performance metrics, not because I care how a given car compares to my neighbours car. I care because I love high performance sports cars and the metrics are an indication of a given platforms capability. I research all of my purchases to ensure that I am getting the best product for my hard earned money. Just because I view that more objectively than you doesn't mean we're having any kind of a contest.
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So why did you spend the extra money for an M car? If you don't care about performance, acceleration, top speed, 0-60 times, lateral G limits, sound or any of the things that makes an enthusiast appreciate a car .... than why not a m235 or a 2 series convertible for that matter?

What is it in your mind that makes an M car great? Interior? Ride quality, fuel economy, looks, status ... what is it?

To me lap times matter, handling matters, acceleration and lateral grip matters, and yes, the sound matter. I like going faster around a track than theoretically faster cars. I like oversteer, and I like sound.

This is why I enjoy M cars. Or Mustangs. Hear the difference in that last one?
I would take a Mustang GT with PP1, Active valve exhaust and magnaride every day over an M4 or M3. Both cars are bloated but at least the Mustang sounds like it means business.
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Not once did I say I didn't care about performance, I said I don't care about lap times. Sit down.
Ok, let's play. So you drive only on the street. And you don't care about 0-60, 1/4 mile or track times. Than how do you define performance? How comfortable your seat is?
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Ok, let's play. So you drive only on the street. And you don't care about 0-60, 1/4 mile or track times. Than how do you define performance? How comfortable your seat is?
Really easily.

You hit a certain tipping point where you feel a push in the back or you don't. Through corners, a razor sharp track beast may actually be worse than a well tuned road car as it just cannot handle the crappy roads well.

On the street, you cannot get anywhere NEAR the performance envelope of modern cars.

I rented a GT stang, no Pp or anything and flung it around back roads in Nova Scotia for an hr or. Was a ton of fun, sounded like it had a serious attitude problem.
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You sure do assume a lot. Dick measuring contest? Feeling inadequate?

I care about performance metrics, not because I care how a given car compares to my neighbours car. I care because I love high performance sports cars and the metrics are an indication of a given platforms capability. I research all of my purchases to ensure that I am getting the best product for my hard earned money. Just because I view that more objectively than you doesn't mean we're having any kind of a contest.
But really you're splitting hairs. So it does 4.3 instead of 4.1. Really? Who fucking cares? It's not 1992 anymore.
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Really easily.

You hit a certain tipping point where you feel a push in the back or you don't. Through corners, a razor sharp track beast may actually be worse than a well tuned road car as it just cannot handle the crappy roads well.

On the street, you cannot get anywhere NEAR the performance envelope of modern cars.

I rented a GT stang, no Pp or anything and flung it around back roads in Nova Scotia for an hr or. Was a ton of fun, sounded like it had a serious attitude problem.
But that's my point. You drove it, and it delivered. Acceleration, sound, edge of your seat feel. This other joker talks about appreciating performance without any quantifiable figures, while actively dissing quantifiable figures! Feel can be quantified too. So what is it? How quickly the heated seats turn on?

I'm an engineer. I need numbers.
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No you don't need numbers. look back int he day yeah we saw big difference but there's very little difference today at a set price point, it's more down to feel.
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No you don't need numbers. look back int he day yeah we saw big difference but there's very little difference today at a set price point, it's more down to feel.
And this is where we disagree then. Respectfully. Look at the videos I posted on the last page. I can tell you how my driving experience felt, and I can also point out on data graphs where the dip on the track was based on steering feel. It's all quantifiable if you record the right data.
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And this is where we disagree then. Respectfully. Look at the videos I posted on the last page. I can tell you how my driving experience felt, and I can also point out on data graphs where the dip on the track was based on steering feel. It's all quantifiable if you record the right data.
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Track.
And you point is? Street is just like the track, except you need to cut your data range in a third if not more. And your excitement also.
EDIT: My personal view, I can't fully experience a car on the street.
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And you point is? Street is just like the track

EDIT: My personal view, I can't fully experience a car on the street.
You've made my point.
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You've made my point.
I think you're missing the point
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I think you're missing the point
I think that anyone that thinks they can get close to a pro drivers lap times, and therefore buys a car based on said lap times, is missing the point.
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I think that anyone that thinks they can get close to a pro drivers lap times, and therefore buys a car based on said lap times, is missing the point.
And I think anyone who thinks faster cars are the enemy is missing the point. The point is LEARN TO DRIVE!

Than you can enjoy any car. Regardless of heated seat warm up times.
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So why did you spend the extra money for an M car? If you don't care about performance, acceleration, top speed, 0-60 times, lateral G limits, sound or any of the things that makes an enthusiast appreciate a car .... than why not a m235 or a 2 series convertible for that matter?

What is it in your mind that makes an M car great? Interior? Ride quality, fuel economy, looks, status ... what is it?

To me lap times matter, handling matters, acceleration and lateral grip matters, and yes, the sound matter. I like going faster around a track than theoretically faster cars. I like oversteer, and I like sound.

This is why I enjoy M cars. Or Mustangs. Hear the difference in that last one?
I would take a Mustang GT with PP1, Active valve exhaust and magnaride every day over an M4 or M3. Both cars are bloated but at least the Mustang sounds like it means business.
Hey, dentistry is a business bud!
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This one time, on Mulholland, I was all proud of myself for reeling in a 996 TT with my M Coupe only to notice that a guy in a Miata was just casually hanging out behind us, looking bored.
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Hey, dentistry is a business bud!
Is there a slack jawed yokel joke in there?

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This one time, on Mulholland, I was all proud of myself for reeling in a 996 TT with my M Coupe only to notice that a guy in a Miata was just casually hanging out behind us, looking bored.
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This one time, on Mulholland, I was all proud of myself for reeling in a 996 TT with my M Coupe only to notice that a guy in a Miata was just casually hanging out behind us, looking bored.
#drivermod #likeaboss
He said the M3/4 didn't sound like business. But they do, just not the car business.
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He said the M3/4 didn't sound like business. But they do, just not the car business.
I was thinking blender business (like Ninja) but I see what you mean.
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I think that anyone that thinks they can get close to a pro drivers lap times, and therefore buys a car based on said lap times, is missing the point.
Why do you assume that I think I can achieve those lap times?

Why do you think that anyone that buys a vehicle based on things that you don't care about is doing it wrong? If a car makes me happy, what do you care? Funny, it's the people in this thread ABOUT THE C8 that have no interest in buying one that are coming in here trying to convince all of us who do want one why we are wrong. How about you drive what ever makes you feel good (plush seats, German badges, whatever), and I'll drive whatever moves the fastest. At the end of the day if we're both enjoying our cars that's all that matters.
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This one time, on Mulholland, I was all proud of myself for reeling in a 996 TT with my M Coupe only to notice that a guy in a Miata was just casually hanging out behind us, looking bored.
Sounds similar to the time I was chasing down a 991 GT3 in my 135i. No Miata behind me that time. But I did have an E30 M3 with an engine swap leave me in the dust on a tighter road a different time.
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