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      06-16-2019, 07:17 PM   #23
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Like your criteria! Very well said German1967. And points well taken on the concern on the M brand Gnaluzu. Too much dilution and the M is getting applied all over the place. Nomenclature aside I'm just glad fun cars are still getting built. and very glad this car is coming out and one of the first cars I have been excited about in a while after driving it. And that red car above is beautiful combo! also loving the blue....
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Perfect combo!
Man, that looks incredible. Congrats on finally picking it up!
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haven't driven it so cant say but probably not as it is missing the M differential I believe. For me the badge is fine but more important is how it makes you feel driving it so if the combination of engine, handling powering through curves (i.e. m differential and direct steering), some edge to it are deciding criteria. Will leave it to someone else here who has driven one to know. If I was buying that big and heavy of a car think I would want the great handling from the rear differential as a must have and would get the M5. Lots of cars out there with great power and 0-60 but lacking in handling, steering, Feeling! After driving the M40i instantly realized it was a great car and had to pick it up whether it had the true M on it or not - fun factor. Wish I still had the Z4 M Coupe (just sold) as it would be fun to drive them back to back. Only weakness on that car was not the strongest shifter and not best daily driver on bumpy roads (not as bad as a Lotus Elise but bumpy - my wife would never want to take it with me up to Napa so welcome comfort mode in new car when she is in car w me!). I considered keeping it and making it just a track car where it would be an absolute blast. Only drawback on new car is it would be nice to have a manual. This will be my first car ever without a stick.
I agree with your post except yes, the M40i has the locking diff and torque vectoring standard. ....and the ZF8 isn't a drawback for me; I love it and wouldn't buy a manual even if it was offered though I sympathize with those that would like one.

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Sorry, but it is absolutely NOT an M car. Use all the reasoning you want, and yes the performance is great. But, it isn't an M car.
who cares? faster than an M2....and faster, quicker and better in every measurable way than any Z car to come before it......even the ones with an M in the name.
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      06-16-2019, 09:19 PM   #27
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....oh and since I picked up my car yesterday, I can confirm that the M40i, in Canada, has the side M badge as well as the M seatbelts.

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on edit; the seatbelts were optional.

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      06-16-2019, 11:12 PM   #28
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Anyone who thinks an X5M is more deserving of the M badge than the Z4 M40i is arguing on behalf of BMWís marketing department (albeit unintentionally). Iíve owned multiple generations of M3 and they all had significant compromises. All brilliant cars, but always compromised. Once they used M for tarted up SUVís it was obvious that M doesnít meant motorsport. Thatís ok! But to argue that a bloated SUV with an overboosted engine is more M than a roadster with 380+ hp is silly.

Either way I don't think anyone should feel inadequate because their amazing car doesnít have the right badges. Let your driving do the talking.
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      06-18-2019, 11:42 AM   #29
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That was sort of my view of things. The M was a pretty specific thing and then once the SUV versions started popping up prior to the m performance models, it seemed clear that it wasnt quite so cut & dry - or at least not so cut & dry so far as it mattered to me personally. I prefer badgeless cars anyway
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Anyone who thinks an X5M is more deserving of the M badge than the Z4 M40i is arguing on behalf of BMWís marketing department (albeit unintentionally). Iíve owned multiple generations of M3 and they all had significant compromises. All brilliant cars, but always compromised. Once they used M for tarted up SUVís it was obvious that M doesnít meant motorsport. Thatís ok! But to argue that a bloated SUV with an overboosted engine is more M than a roadster with 380+ hp is silly.

Either way I don't think anyone should feel inadequate because their amazing car doesnít have the right badges. Let your driving do the talking.
perfectly put. just glad we are all getting this great car. I will be like a kid before Christmas waiting for this damn car to finally arrive!
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Again, not an actual M car plus it isn't an M engine. There won't be a 1,200 mile break in service.

Also, I am guessing there will be an actual M version at some point. BMW won't miss a chance to make money.
Maybe they will but the E89 had no M version.
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I agree with your post except yes, the M40i has the locking diff and torque vectoring standard. ....and the ZF8 isn't a drawback for me; I love it and wouldn't buy a manual even if it was offered though I sympathize with those that would like one.

Dave
Agree the transmission is a non-issue as they are quicker than the 6MT. Only M cars without a standard 8ZF are the M2, 3 & 4. The top M dogs M5 & M8 are 8ZF only.

Think the M thing as super special has passed into history when they added the SUV's.
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      09-27-2020, 03:16 AM   #33
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The Z4 is a single-purpose built vehicle. Most M cars are tuned family cars in my opinion. Anyway, the M/ non M issue I think is dividing the BMW-family. I ask my self what is the point of the discussion (which I unfortunately contributed to at the top...couldnīt help myself...)? Had the same in the Porsche community, driving a Boxster - poor mans 911
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      09-27-2020, 12:30 PM   #34
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Agree the transmission is a non-issue as they are quicker than the 6MT. Only M cars without a standard 8ZF are the M2, 3 & 4. The top M dogs M5 & M8 are 8ZF only.

Think the M thing as super special has passed into history when they added the SUV's.
idk .... having just turned in the lease on my F85 X5M about a year ago, and have had M4 and M5 in the past, I would say the ///M SAV is on-par, with performance of my M5. I have also driven the F85 at the track in Monticello and Palm Springs,CA and it handled very well for a 2.5 ton SUV.

Having said all of this ... my G29 is "only" the sdrive 30i M-Sport model and not the M40i. Wanted the M40i, but since I will likely only drive 4-5k miles per year and this will site in the garage most of the time, I couldn't justify a lease payment twice the price ... only paying $450/mo on a loaded 30i Exec fit the bill for a summer weekend toy.

I would also agree that the M40i and M550i and every other ///Marketing vehicle of BMW of recent years which doesn't have an "S" engine and further ///M development/tuning is not a "true" ///M car.

Having de-badged all of my BMWs including my ///M variants, I would have ripped off the side emblems and happily given them to any willing party if I had them here in the US. Not sure why everyone feels the need to advertise the model they bought .... the car looks so much cleaner with no model badges, front plate, etc.
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I think the M badge is deserved. Car is equally as fast as Outgoing M3. Yes 2019 M3. Thats a fact. Maybe a 10th slower than a M4 Comp. An M5 is the real M car at 2.8 0-60. Yes New Corvette fast. The New M3 and M4 will again lack real performance.
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And yes mine is Badged and well deserved, especially with Jb4 tune. 450Hp
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Looks good think I will try it out & rattle some chains at the next BMW club meeting. Also running a JB4.

Already rattle purests chains with a COYOTE in the COBRA.






Based on an early M4 specs (3.8 seconds) the Z4 will out run the new 510bhp M4 to 60. Expect the M4 will run it down in the quarter mile
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Nice cobra. My brother built a cobra. Boy was it fast. Not great traction from start. But it didn't matter it was so fast. Toasted my 2014 Corvette from a rolling start.
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Nice cobra. My brother built a cobra. Boy was it fast. Not great traction from start. But it didn't matter it was so fast. Toasted my 2014 Corvette from a rolling start.
Thanks. Run 315X35X17 NITTO NT01 100 treadware road course tires @22PSI 24/7. Careful throttle management mid 2 second range to 60mph. Casual throttle gives 3.2

All these cars are traction limited.
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