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      08-21-2020, 07:16 PM   #45
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Based on the OP's description of events, It seems like he was paced. Also, in drives to Jersey, my radar/laser almost never goes off, as I pass the highway police. Further out in CT and in rural areas, I do get alerts constantly.

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Doesn't matter anyways because to solidify their case, they just lie and say they verified your speed with laser or radar anyways. Anyone that believe that police are above bending the truth, let me know, I have a bridge to sell you.

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I have heard but never tried (or needed to try) asking them to produce that latest calibration certification, which they most likely not have.

But after watching that video you posted. I'm staying a far as possible from LEO and keeping my damn mouth shut.
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He didn't even taser, beat, arrest or shoot you. Be blessed. So all good. Lawyer up.
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I say very little. I am extremely polite and just go with the flow.

I say nothing really other than I don't want to create any problems, and that I have nothing but respect for their profession.

I am often let go with a warming. If I am given a ticket my trusty traffic lawyer will get rid of the ticket, and minimize any traffic fine.
Steve Lehto has a series of videos on traffic tickets and what you should and shouldn't do on Youtube.

For those that don't know who Steve Lehto is, he's an attorney that weighs in on various legal topics and just random stories. He's also a car enthusiast so it helps to get his angle on this with that lens.
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The most important thing is not getting any points which I think is your case.

I would not have made an inquiry concerning the cops behavior. For a few reasons. We all have bad days and say stupid things unintentionally or intentionally.

Always felt the state cops main reason was drug and human trafficking interdiction and they choose which cars to pull over due to stereotyping and I'm not bothered by that and with the general mood with a large part of the public concerning cops and defunding and protest,
From what I understand, it's more important for that ticket to not show up on your driving record at all. If it's a moving violation but the court just knocks off the points, it does nothing as your insurance company can still see the ticket on your driving record if they do a pull.

This is for the State of Maryland. But if you have a clean driving record and go to court, you can request a probation before judgement. Some judges will just grant this some won't. What a PBJ does is it keeps that ticket from being reported on your official driving record. The police will still see it in their system but when your driving record is being pulled by your insurance company, they won't see it. After a year and you stay clean, the ticket just drops off as if it never happened. If you end up with another moving violation, that PBJ ticket will be fully instated along with you facing the full consequences of the new ticket.

I got my mother off a running a stop sign ticket with a PBJ. Just had to pay court costs.
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The most important thing is not getting any points which I think is your case.

I would not have made an inquiry concerning the cops behavior. For a few reasons. We all have bad days and say stupid things unintentionally or intentionally.

Always felt the state cops main reason was drug and human trafficking interdiction and they choose which cars to pull over due to stereotyping and I'm not bothered by that and with the general mood with a large part of the public concerning cops and defunding and protest,
From what I understand, it's more important for that ticket to not show up on your driving record at all. If it's a moving violation but the court just knocks off the points, it does nothing as your insurance company can still see the ticket on your driving record if they do a pull.

This is for the State of Maryland. But if you have a clean driving record and go to court, you can request a probation before judgement. Some judges will just grant this some won't. What a PBJ does is it keeps that ticket from being reported on your official driving record. The police will still see it in their system but when your driving record is being pulled by your insurance company, they won't see it. After a year and you stay clean, the ticket just drops off as if it never happened. If you end up with another moving violation, that PBJ ticket will be fully instated along with you facing the full consequences of the new ticket.

I got my mother off a running a stop sign ticket with a PBJ. Just had to pay court costs.
The way it works in at least NJ is "insurance points" are what determines your rate (in regards to violations). These insurance points are separate and different from points on your license; they even expire at different rates. However, in my experience these points are only considered when you make an adjustment to your policy. If nothing changes in your policy, the insurance company has no reason to look into how many insurance points you have.

Disclaimer: I haven't had a moving violation in a very long time.
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He didn't even taser, beat, arrest or shoot you. Be blessed. So all good. Lawyer up.
This is true.

And Ive found the guy. 30 years experience and is quite sure of what the outcome will be. Iím going to wait until next Friday to hire him though as IA is supposed to get back to me next week sometime.
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From what I understand, it's more important for that ticket to not show up on your driving record at all. If it's a moving violation but the court just knocks off the points, it does nothing as your insurance company can still see the ticket on your driving record if they do a pull.

This is for the State of Maryland. But if you have a clean driving record and go to court, you can request a probation before judgement. Some judges will just grant this some won't. What a PBJ does is it keeps that ticket from being reported on your official driving record. The police will still see it in their system but when your driving record is being pulled by your insurance company, they won't see it. After a year and you stay clean, the ticket just drops off as if it never happened. If you end up with another moving violation, that PBJ ticket will be fully instated along with you facing the full consequences of the new ticket.

I got my mother off a running a stop sign ticket with a PBJ. Just had to pay court costs.
Iím not too worried about insurance. My cars are titled to my places in NC and SC so my insurance costs are insanely low compared to what they were when I lived up north. But obviously goal number one is no points at all. I stupidly was honest with the douche cop and said I was doing 75 though... which is traffic speed on he turnpike every day but I guess thatís a real offense now lol

An they wonder why everyone is flocking in droves to the south
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I say very little. I am extremely polite and just go with the flow.

I say nothing really other than I don't want to create any problems, and that I have nothing but respect for their profession.

I am often let go with a warming. If I am given a ticket my trusty traffic lawyer will get rid of the ticket, and minimize any traffic fine.
Steve Lehto has a series of videos on traffic tickets and what you should and shouldn't do on Youtube.

For those that don't know who Steve Lehto is, he's an attorney that weighs in on various legal topics and just random stories. He's also a car enthusiast so it helps to get his angle on this with that lens.


He gives great advice

I am always extremely compliant

And I've been let go after being pulled-over for 100+
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      08-22-2020, 01:47 PM   #53
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All of my cars have dash cams, cameras don’t lie but people do. Cop says you drove reckless, proof him wrong, Speeding, dash cam clip. They will look like a fool. I personally set my cruise control to the limit (GPS checked speed not the speedometer) and Haven’t been stopped in years.
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If you've not driven on the NJT, there are "inside" and "outside" lanes separated by concrete "New Jersey" barriers (or at least they were back in the 1990's - I've not driven on the Turnpike in 25+ years). The inside lanes are for cars-only. The outside lanes are for cars and commercial trucks.

Late 1990's... Coming back from NYC to Maryland. I'm in the inside lanes (car-only lanes) of the NJT. I'm keeping with traffic.

In the truck/car lanes (outside-lanes) there is a NJ State LEO keeping with traffic. Behind me is a Camaro carving traffic and passes me and the LEO. The LEO in the outside lanes starts pacing the Camaro that is in the inside lanes. The Turnpike lane dividers are set up with gaps to allow egress between the outside and inside lanes. The the Camaro passes one of these gaps in the barriers, the NJ LEO at speed (north of 70MPH) glides right through the gap in the barrier without slowing, gets behind the Camaro and lights him up and pulls him over. I'm now laughing my ass off. The best cop driving move I've ever seen. I decided after than to not speed on the NJT. Do not f' with the NJ State Police.
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This is NJ - that’s the state prescribed training and condoned practice for state troopers there - they illegally ticket, create dangerous situations and have the laws setup illegally & unconstitutional so you can’t even fight the bogus ticket. NJ state troopers tarnish the entire country’s police profession with their piss poor behavior, attitude and disgusting above-the-law practices.

I have been driving over 25 years throughout Northeast. I have ONE speeding ticket in 25 years. I got it at 3am in NJ driving on the highway in the right lane of a 2 lane highway. all by myself, not a car on the road. I was doing 60-65ish in cadillac. coming up from behind is a cop doing probably 120 mph and slams on his brakes next to me and dead stares me down through his passenger window, I look over a few times and smiled. he never payed attention to the road ahead of him, he was literally leaning over in the passenger seat staring me down. After the minute or two, he steps on his brakes, gets behind me then steps on the gas to the point where I swear he touched his front bumber to my rear bumper... so I sped up to get seperation - now I started to get scared as a young kid all alone on the highway at night with an aggressive cop intimidating me... he then began to swerve behind me and surge.. so I sped up a bit more... he did this f'ing with me for about 3 miles. at this point I was probably now doing 70mph ... he then flipped on his lights and pulled me over... I debated and was so close to not pulling over and getting to a public place but ended up pulling over as he broadcasted "Pull the F over" in a violently aggressive voice.

His was the biggest A-hole I ever spoke to, he insulted me and berated me - I just shut up and got my ticket fearful for way worse if I even opened my mouth.

I got out of there with 2 or 3 tickets, can't remember, but one was speeding 80mph which I never came close to, and one or two other technicals.

Being young naive and feeling I was in the right - I decided to fight the ticket - and that's when I discovered NJ has a fantastic law to prevent ticket fighting. When you go to court, if the cop doesn't show up in NJ to speak to the ticket, you get rescheduled (not dismissed). So of course he didn't show, then I have to come back in 2 months (200 mile trip)... I go the second time, he doesn't show again. the judge rules to reschedule - when I was getting my 3rd date the court clerk says "You know this will never end right? how about you pay double the fine in cash right now and we'll settle it, no points"

I paid and got the hell out of NJ - and never drove through NJ again, always went NY route to PA and beyond.

there's a reason NJ is the armpit of the northeast.

Sidebar to the story - that drive I was returning from taking a PA state trooper police exam, that was my chosen profession - after this whole incident I gave up and said if that's the police life, I want no part of it... Cut bait on 2 years of law enforcement education and training and switched professions.

I'd met a lot of people and friends with similar NJ trooper stories... this is a well known practice. NY along RT-17 from middletown to binghamton has a similar history and is known as the highest revenue generating stretch of road in the country (according to law enforcement records) but it's gotten better the past decade.

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I commute between Philly and NYC for 16 days each month. I know all of their tactics, hiding spots, equipment used for speed enforcement, etc. I'm sorry to hear you got such a bs ticket from him in a very unprofessional traffic stop.

THIS is one of the main reasons I have a dual dash cam setup in my car. You need to protect yourself as much as you can.
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He gives great advice

I am always extremely compliant

And I've been let go after being pulled-over for 100+
Yeah, don't believe you. Sorry.
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He gives great advice

I am always extremely compliant

And I've been let go after being pulled-over for 100+
Yeah, don't believe you. Sorry.
I don't really care what you believe

Perception is reality

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Yeah, don't believe you. Sorry.
My brother got pulled over for 106 in a 55 and only got a ticket, cop knocked it down low enough to where he didn't even have to go to court. So I believe the guy.
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Wow... Sorry to hear that but yes I have had a very similar encounter.....
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I believe NJ is one of the most lenient states in the country for exceeding the speed limit. You can drive right past a Trooper doing 80 in a 65 and you're usually fine. Set your cruise control to 75 in a 65 and you'll NEVER get pulled over by a NJ State Trooper. You can drive right past them.
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[once a Trooper got super close] to my rear bumper... so I sped up to get separation...
This is NOT a smart thing to do. The last thing you want to do in this situation is speed up (or slow down)! I can imagine the Trooper thinking "look at this asshole speeding up right in my face!" He likely took your action as a sign of disrespect. I suggest anyone in this position set your cruise control so your speed is locked and make sure you stay centered in your lane.

I've been here more than once... They're running your plate. If you're clean and serene they'll pull around you and be on their way without issue.
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My brother got pulled over for 106 in a 55 and only got a ticket, cop knocked it down low enough to where he didn't even have to go to court. So I believe the guy.
I have actually been let go several times for speeding well of 100mph

I am always pleasant and the outcome is usually reasonable considering
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I don't really care what you believe

Perception is reality

Sure. My perception is BS meter is pegged.

But maybe out West in Wyoming on I90 where the speed limit is 80...
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I have actually been let go several times for speeding well of 100mph

I am always pleasant and the outcome is usually reasonable considering
You should teach a class... The Dale Carnegie Rules for Talking The Police Out of 100MPH Speeding Tickets.
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