BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BIMMERPOST Universal Forums General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos California Banning Gas-Powered Car Sales Starting 2035

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-25-2020, 12:55 AM   #45
BigHunk
///M
BigHunk's Avatar
Canada
190
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: X5M
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Vancouver

iTrader: (0)

That's hilarious, even now they can't supply enough electricity, but hey we have solution for shortages, switch all cars to electric. That governor Newsom lost the touch with reality.
__________________
not rich enough to buy cheap
Appreciate 6
      09-25-2020, 01:18 AM   #46
230iZTR
Second Lieutenant
230iZTR's Avatar
92
Rep
245
Posts

Drives: Alpine White 230i THP
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Reno, NV

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
[...] In 15 years, I probably will have no interest left in new ICE cars. I think 6 cylinders will be about the biggest cylinder count you can get within a decade and I personally have no interest in a high strung 4 pot turbo engine.
I think that's where I'd disagree...or at least provide a thorough addendum. As electric (and autonomous self-driving, rideshared, etc) cars become the norm it will create a niche for enthusiast oriented ICE cars that are unbound by the regs for street legality. That will push ICE cars the same way horses went with the proliferation of cars - free to become specialized for showing, racing, and work. Instead of purchasing an M2 or M4 weighed down by safety features and creature comforts, we can get something more like an m240iR or M4 GT4. They could bring back classics like the e30 M3 Evo as a production car. They could sell you a turnkey Formula BMW car. Keep it in your garage, hail yourself an autonomous Tesla Cybertruck, hitch your trailered racecar to it, and sleep in luxury on your way to the track.
__________________
17x9 APEX Arc8-R, 255/40/17 RE71Rs, Vorshlag Plates, Swift Spec-R Springs, m-Performance Bumpstops, Dinan ShockWare
Appreciate 1
mkoesel6403.50

      09-25-2020, 06:48 AM   #47
W///
Lieutenant General
W///'s Avatar
4627
Rep
11,142
Posts

Drives: 08 E92 M3 /07 Z4MR / 99 E36 M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

iTrader: (13)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 230iZTR View Post
I think that's where I'd disagree...or at least provide a thorough addendum. As electric (and autonomous self-driving, rideshared, etc) cars become the norm it will create a niche for enthusiast oriented ICE cars that are unbound by the regs for street legality. That will push ICE cars the same way horses went with the proliferation of cars - free to become specialized for showing, racing, and work. Instead of purchasing an M2 or M4 weighed down by safety features and creature comforts, we can get something more like an m240iR or M4 GT4. They could bring back classics like the e30 M3 Evo as a production car. They could sell you a turnkey Formula BMW car. Keep it in your garage, hail yourself an autonomous Tesla Cybertruck, hitch your trailered racecar to it, and sleep in luxury on your way to the track.
I'm all for that future, but the fun cars won't be coming from the OEM's. The only thing I think we'll see more as the norm are these factory workshops that restore these old classics.

That's why the big statement to me is that NEW cars will be banned, but not old. The way I see it happening is cars slowly downsizing engine capacity (ie rumored C63 will be a high strung 4 cylinder with hybrid system), and eventually full blown BEV or hydrogen fuel cells.

I absolutely do think there will be car fanatics like us holding on to dear life to our "antiques". Personally, I wouldn't have much interest in old cars that are for "off-road" use only like a Ferrari FXX
__________________
Current: E92 M3 Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige/6MT. E36 M3 Techno Violet/Dove/5MT. E85 Z4MR Alpine White/Imola Red/6MT
Appreciate 1
David701216.00

      09-25-2020, 07:09 AM   #48
Efthreeoh
Lieutenant General
United_States
7881
Rep
14,984
Posts

Drives: E90 & Z4 Coupe
Join Date: May 2012
Location: MARLAND

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 230iZTR View Post
I think that's where I'd disagree...or at least provide a thorough addendum. As electric (and autonomous self-driving, rideshared, etc) cars become the norm it will create a niche for enthusiast oriented ICE cars that are unbound by the regs for street legality. That will push ICE cars the same way horses went with the proliferation of cars - free to become specialized for showing, racing, and work. Instead of purchasing an M2 or M4 weighed down by safety features and creature comforts, we can get something more like an m240iR or M4 GT4. They could bring back classics like the e30 M3 Evo as a production car. They could sell you a turnkey Formula BMW car. Keep it in your garage, hail yourself an autonomous Tesla Cybertruck, hitch your trailered racecar to it, and sleep in luxury on your way to the track.
But the question remains, will the Amish still drive their horse-drawn buggies on the fast streets of Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, and Indiana in the midst of the EV pandemic?

Race tracks be dammed. I'm driving my ICE on the street. There will be no need for police since autonomous cars won't break any driving laws.
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 07:09 AM   #49
David70
Colonel
United_States
1216
Rep
2,363
Posts

Drives: 06 Z4M Coupe - 13 Cadillac ATS
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 230iZTR View Post
I think that's where I'd disagree...or at least provide a thorough addendum. As electric (and autonomous self-driving, rideshared, etc) cars become the norm it will create a niche for enthusiast oriented ICE cars that are unbound by the regs for street legality. That will push ICE cars the same way horses went with the proliferation of cars - free to become specialized for showing, racing, and work. Instead of purchasing an M2 or M4 weighed down by safety features and creature comforts, we can get something more like an m240iR or M4 GT4. They could bring back classics like the e30 M3 Evo as a production car. They could sell you a turnkey Formula BMW car. Keep it in your garage, hail yourself an autonomous Tesla Cybertruck, hitch your trailered racecar to it, and sleep in luxury on your way to the track.
For the "unbound by regs for street legality", I guess they are track only cars? If so, like the horses, if you will have a small group of rich people that can afford to trailer their cars to the track. Would be interesting to see if track days could afford to go on with only dedicated track cars. Large manufacturers will never go after this market with new products so only way old classics are coming back is you buy one and fix it up. I would like to have a track only car but the costs of the vehicle/truck/trailer/support parts, then the cost of the track day is more than I am willing to spend today or in the future especially as I would use the car a couple of times per year.

I don't see ICE's getting banned or becoming obsolete in my lifetime so I am not worried about it. My weekend manual ICE is now 14 years old, would be easy to have a 25 year old weekend car today so cars built today will be around as long as I am driving.

I have no issue with daily driving a EV. If they were to cut the battery cost in half we would switch one of our cars to an EV today as the biggest issue is the initial sales price and this is because of the battery. EV to ICE, if initial sales price for equal specs EV has a lot of benefits, especially as 1 in a 2 car daily driver household. Recharge the EV at less than 1/2 the price of the ICE, far less maintenance and repair, refill overnight (nothing I enjoy about the gas station).
__________________
2006 Z4M Coupe - Stromung exhaust, ZHP knob, stubby antenna, clutch delay delete
Appreciate 1
W///4627.00

      09-25-2020, 09:04 AM   #50
jamesinaz
Second Lieutenant
554
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: 2013 X3 2017 540i
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

OK so if they actually do enforce this for the climate - what is generating all the electricity? Right now they are strained as it is and the grid is in need of improvement. Add every car in the state? Wow. And if no nukes will it actually improve or worsen the net emissions?
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 09:33 AM   #51
David70
Colonel
United_States
1216
Rep
2,363
Posts

Drives: 06 Z4M Coupe - 13 Cadillac ATS
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesinaz View Post
OK so if they actually do enforce this for the climate - what is generating all the electricity? Right now they are strained as it is and the grid is in need of improvement. Add every car in the state? Wow. And if no nukes will it actually improve or worsen the net emissions?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...on-since-1975/

Looking at electricity consumption, most 10 year periods usage goes up almost 50% (1975-85, 85-95, 95-2005) but from 2010-2020 growth is close to zero. Where I live when someone wants to build a large factory or subdivision electricity supply is never part of the discussion. It's new cars built after 2035 and CO2 does drop with a gas powered electricity plant powering a car vs. ICE.

Electric car growth is slow, most are recharged at night when overall usage drops, and over time if electricity usage goes up we do have to build new plants.
__________________
2006 Z4M Coupe - Stromung exhaust, ZHP knob, stubby antenna, clutch delay delete
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 09:35 AM   #52
KenB925
Second Lieutenant
843
Rep
254
Posts

Drives: ZL1, Raptor
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

Not enough time to get the power grid ready (well plenty of time, but it won't happen in that amount of time in this state).

There is not even enough power to run air conditioners during a heat wave.

Its just an executive order anyway.
Appreciate 1
      09-25-2020, 10:04 AM   #53
dgoldenz
Captain
389
Rep
950
Posts

Drives: 991 GT3, JL Wrangler
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Las Vegas

iTrader: (1)

Good news for Las Vegas housing prices.
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 10:21 AM   #54
cfm56d7b
Major General
United_States
2454
Rep
6,038
Posts

Drives: 2017 440i Gran Coupe & 2015 X5
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (2)

The executive order to ban ICE equipped vehicle starting in 2035 - is just an executive order (not a law). It's a worthy goal overshadowed by political ambitions.

First - a few facts.

Between 1982 and 1998, California’s agency land managers burned, on average, about 30,000 acres a year. Between 1999 and 2017, that number dropped to an annual 13,000 acres. The state passed a few new laws in 2018 designed to facilitate more intentional burning.

However, no one's wants intentional burns to prevent larger ones.

To help the electric grid, intentional burns need to continue.

Arbitrary deadlines tend to change over time. There will be lawsuits and modifications, including bringing your own car from another state. The first likely law suit will be filed by an organization which will challenge the order because it discriminates low income residents who can only afford a less expensive, used ICE equipped vehicle.

California will need more charging stations, incentives for home owners to install chargers. One way to accomplish it: partner with US Postal Service and install chargers in USPS owned parking lots, creating a revenue stream. This also means partnering with the Federal Government.

This executive order isn't what it should be: a thoughtful, integrated policy statement.
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 10:42 AM   #55
David70
Colonel
United_States
1216
Rep
2,363
Posts

Drives: 06 Z4M Coupe - 13 Cadillac ATS
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH

iTrader: (1)

Interesting that many of the posts says there is a mass evacuation of the state as people move somewhere else and many posts say they don't have enough power to support the people that are there. Seems difficult to have both issues at the same time.
__________________
2006 Z4M Coupe - Stromung exhaust, ZHP knob, stubby antenna, clutch delay delete
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 11:08 AM   #56
jamesinaz
Second Lieutenant
554
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: 2013 X3 2017 540i
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by David70 View Post
Interesting that many of the posts says there is a mass evacuation of the state as people move somewhere else and many posts say they don't have enough power to support the people that are there. Seems difficult to have both issues at the same time.
I know it seems at odds but it does seem to be true,

https://www.capradio.org/articles/20...new-wildfires/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-politics.html
Appreciate 1
Germanauto5251.00

      09-25-2020, 12:32 PM   #57
jmack
Private First Class
139
Rep
135
Posts

Drives: F36 440i / C6 Grand Sport
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by David70 View Post
Interesting that many of the posts says there is a mass evacuation of the state as people move somewhere else and many posts say they don't have enough power to support the people that are there. Seems difficult to have both issues at the same time.
Both are true. Californians are fleeing while at the same time non-Americans are coming in.
Appreciate 2
Germanauto5251.00
BigHunk189.50

      09-25-2020, 01:12 PM   #58
JamesGames
Major
JamesGames's Avatar
United_States
1005
Rep
1,339
Posts

Drives: E60 550i|F82 M4|F48 X1|VA STi
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SOCAL

iTrader: (0)

Houses in California are being bought up left and right right still driving the prices high, and not enough homes are available (for a competitive market). People aren't leaving FAST enough for me to buy a house right now in CA. It is a sellers market, and people are buying them up at high prices.

https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages/h...ring-pandemic/
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 09:44 PM   #59
Maverik259
Brigadier General
Maverik259's Avatar
United_States
2401
Rep
4,420
Posts

Drives: F90 M5 / F15 50i
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M5  [0.00]
2014 X5 50i  [0.00]
CA Gov banning gasoline cars...really?

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/91620...e-cars-by-2035

California Governor Signs Order Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars By 2035

Not sure why this got deleted but I'm posting it here again. Did I offend some California mod?
__________________
'07 Yamaha R1 (sold)
'06 C55 AMG (sold)
‘20 M5, MP Carbon Pro Spoiler, MP Carbon Diffuser, MP Black grille and gills, RKP Carbon Mirrors
'14 X5 50i, (wife’s now)
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 09:50 PM   #60
gblansten
Beandoc
gblansten's Avatar
United_States
959
Rep
3,476
Posts

Drives: 2020 M5 BS/AB
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Thick ascending limb

iTrader: (0)

I suspect this is expected to go into a general discussion forum and not a particular model of BMW subforum.
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2020, 10:07 PM   #61
Maverik259
Brigadier General
Maverik259's Avatar
United_States
2401
Rep
4,420
Posts

Drives: F90 M5 / F15 50i
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M5  [0.00]
2014 X5 50i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
I suspect this is expected to go into a general discussion forum and not a particular model of BMW subforum.
Ya I thought that maybe but they didn't merge it. Just deleted lol. I mean it's whatever just annoying. Not trying to go threw 50 different forums on here. It's a lot to just keep it to the 10 different F90 threads. Don't do that on the F15/85 side of the house. Just one for the platform and one for the classifieds lol. Simple.

Makes searching a bit simpler that way. Weird how each platform is set up different than the next.
__________________
'07 Yamaha R1 (sold)
'06 C55 AMG (sold)
‘20 M5, MP Carbon Pro Spoiler, MP Carbon Diffuser, MP Black grille and gills, RKP Carbon Mirrors
'14 X5 50i, (wife’s now)
Appreciate 1
gblansten958.50

      09-25-2020, 11:18 PM   #62
yewlock
Major
yewlock's Avatar
United_States
653
Rep
1,044
Posts

Drives: X5
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (1)

If I live that long, I will go to Nevada or Oregon to buy new non electric car. Then drive few months with other state license plate before change to CA plate.
Appreciate 1
Maverik2592400.50

      09-26-2020, 08:53 AM   #63
AP
Colonel
AP's Avatar
806
Rep
2,962
Posts

Drives: G30 540i X Msport
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Same here in EU land. In fact I think they are trying to bring that forward to 2030
Appreciate 1
KoenG390.00

      09-26-2020, 09:09 AM   #64
KoenG
Captain
Belgium
390
Rep
821
Posts

Drives: E39 530i & G01 X3 2.0d XDrive
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Europe

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AP View Post
Same here in EU land. In fact I think they are trying to bring that forward to 2030
Yes, I recently heared that as from 2026 no lease cars with ICE allowed in Belgium!

So we're probably looking at the very last generation of ICEs before they're banned entirely.
Appreciate 0
      09-26-2020, 09:18 AM   #65
F32Fleet
Major General
F32Fleet's Avatar
United_States
2445
Rep
9,056
Posts

Drives: 2015 435i
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Southeastern US

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by David70 View Post
Interesting that many of the posts says there is a mass evacuation of the state as people move somewhere else and many posts say they don't have enough power to support the people that are there. Seems difficult to have both issues at the same time.
Calif is still ICE centric yet they experience rolling blackouts. How many people do you think they need to loose to other states in order to be able to support an EV centric transportation system.
__________________
"Drive more, worry less. "

435i, MPPK, MPE, M-Sport Line
Appreciate 0
      09-26-2020, 10:16 AM   #66
GOLFFRR
GOLFFRR's Avatar
7452
Rep
24,812
Posts

Drives: GOLFFRR cart
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: we sell BMWs to "ALL" US states

iTrader: (4)

I wouldn't look too much into it. He won't even be governor by then. Lot can change from now till then
__________________

BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR NEXT BMW, PM ME FIRST WE CAN HOOK YOU UP!
Jimmy Miller:jmiller@stevethomasbmw.com Cell:805-509-2048
If you have any issues getting a hold of Jimmy M PLEASE PM me, I'm available everyday till 545pm!
Appreciate 1
Germanauto5251.00

Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 PM.




bmw
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST