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02-16-2024, 08:52 AM | #24 |
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I agree, it is going to be very hard to find a manual to test drive.
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02-18-2024, 07:11 AM | #25 | |
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I was referring to the comparison between my 2007 Z4Si to my 2019 Miata RF(w/ modified suspension), not the new G29. |
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02-27-2024, 09:51 AM | #26 |
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Do you need back seats and all-wheel drive? M440 convertible.
No? Z4 M40i. |
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02-29-2024, 08:54 PM | #28 | |
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Since you clearly are a follower of the row your own craft I believe you’d be much more interested in the Z4. Sure, you lose some panache by retiring the M badge, but I would say you gain better all around experience. You might even argue that it is a better driver compared to the G83 as you’d shed some weight and gain good “tossability”. I’d add that the G29 MT will be a much rarer sight on the road compared to G8x cars. No pressure though, do what you want…just remember the Z4 comes with a manual…just saying! |
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03-02-2024, 12:19 AM | #29 | |
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First I like the Z4 enough that I bought out the lease and the car is a keeper, usually 10 years for me. Second took my driving test on a MT in 1959 & have had at least one ever since. Three currant two are 5MT's, Cobra, Ranger & the Jeep Wrangler is a 6MT That said would not have purchased a Z4MT if it had been available in 2020. For me the trade-offs do not work. Think the "do a tune is irrelevant". The same tunes available for the Z4 are available for the M4C. Difference is you are starting from a base of 382BHP vs 503BHP. Ignored the fact both are under rated by BMW. The really big thing left out of just tune the car discussions IMHO is the AWD in the M4C vs RWD in the Z4. The M4C can absorb the additional power of a tune where the Z4 is already traction limited with its RWD. Thing to note about AWD is the M4's delivered with only RWD get the power cut or forced 2nd gear AT launches under Launch Control. The word "tossability" gets tossed around a lot but am not sure exactly what it means comparing the Z4 M40 vs the M4C xdrive cars. Many are unaware that the M4C can be driven in RWD mode which disconnents the whole front end drive train. With this engaged the car is functionally a RWD car. The M4C's also have a manually selected sliding scale 10 point reduction for traction control available. This includes a drift analyzer that measures time, speed, angle & distance of the drifts & scores the results. FWIW I use the word agility when comparing the two cars. I find the Z4 is more agile due to its shorter length. When looking for passing room the Z4 can use much smaller slots than the M4C. That said the Z4 is much slower around a road course or drag strip than the M4C. Car & Driver Lightning Laps History M3/4C xDrive 2:53.5 #72 Toyota Supra 3.0 2:59.3 #121 (Z4 M40i + 0:3.0 #151?) Nurburgring - Christian Gebhardt diving all cars BMW M4 Competition xDrive 7:28.7 Toyota GR Supra 7:52.17 BMW Z4 M40i 7:55.409 C&D 1/4 mile M4C xD 11.0 sec @ 125 mph Z4 M40AT 12.0 sec @ 116 mph Z4 M40MT 12.4 sec @ ? mph The Z4 AT would be the better choice for a big box AutoX layout. Expect everybody wants to have their fun their own way so these are just my choices.
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Just curious though, why not go for the Boxster GTS 4.0 if you are craving the convertible? Also - do you mind sharing your personal subjective differences between driving the Z4 and the 718 GTS 4.0? That flat six is amazing. Porsche did shoot it in the foot by giving it such long gearing though. |
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I owned a M440i convertible. Great car. Drove it for two years and sold it to a friend. Just bought a 23 Z4 M40i. In my opinion, it looks better than the 440i. Handles better than the 440i. More of a sports car than the 4 series. Yes, the back seat on the 440i is very tight. Great place for golf clubs though.
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