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For example, isn't it reasonable to make the following argument: "When someone sees another person driving an E92 M3, they might think 'oh wow, that person is sufficiently successful to the point where he or she can afford an $80,000 car!'" What if that M3 owner actually paid a fraction of that $80,000 to buy a used M3, though? Isn't this person perhaps being deliberately deceptive and flaunting a level of wealth that he or she may not actually have? Granted, the analogy isn't perfect because the main purpose of a car isn't to be a status symbol (I hope). Note: I don't actually think like this. I think this line of reasoning is incredibly elitist and it doesn't really sit well with me. I don't like trying to assess other peoples' wealth based on their material possessions, and moreover it just doesn't matter to me. I'm really just playing the devil's advocate here to spur more discussion. |
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Since you would have no problem buying fakes, counterfeits, and replicas we have nothing to argue. You're fine with it and I'm not. I'm not here to change your mind and you're certainly not going to change mine. it's an argument nobody will win. BTW - any replica may have the same physical attributes of the original but it by no means needs to meet the same performance standards or tolerances of an original. Even generic drugs don't have to meet the same criteria of the original. |
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03-10-2014, 05:50 PM | #113 | |
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As for the M3 copy you are talking about, if it doesn't have the same parameters as the original - I wouldn't buy it. You mentioned a replica 99% of people would not be able to tell which means it would be pretty much the same as I expect a 99% replica to have the same performance and build. My argument about the car is simply that Brand does not matter to me. I am not a brand whore. I didn't buy an M3 because I wanted a BMW - I wanted an M3. If that happens to be a Hyundai/KIA M3, then so be it. It'd still be a great car.
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everybody wants something for nothing... it's a problem that people dont see a problem with fakes |
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03-10-2014, 06:20 PM | #118 | |
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The generic drug system is getting better though. "Equivalent" generics are being evaluated more finely as we go along.
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http://youtu.be/-_pmN7phgK4
http://youtu.be/gagRrCdpiu0 to everyone not having a problem with replica cars, here's your chance to own one... from your front door to the local starbucks, it makes no difference i wonder how they perform at the limit... maybe TopGear should get one of these and do a head to head vs the genuine |
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03-10-2014, 06:26 PM | #121 | |
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That is a major difference and a place where the, often applicable, car analogy isn't applicable. All the best.
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I'm not refuting the ethical/legal point of your comment. I'm just highlighting where there is a difference for the sake of keeping the whole matter in perspective, at least as far as facts are concerned. All the best.
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I didn't see the reimbursement side of it. I can see that being an issue. Generally generic pricing falls. For those small drugs that manufacturers leave the market or have limited availability, it can rise.
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I also have no evidence suggesting that water resistance (WR) at surface levels is beyond the capability of any modern watch. Even the cheapest authentic watch one can buy -- perhaps a Timex or something of that sort -- can handle being placed in a full bathtub. I don't see why one couldn't expect as much from a comparably priced fake. Are there some fakes that won't survive that? Probably, but then the WR seals on non-fakes can fail too. I get the point you are seeming to make, and I can see it as plausible, but without something empirical to suggest that's poor WR is endemic among fake watches, I have a hard time actually accepting the premise. All the best.
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Three... three of the replica watches i've owned, over many years, have taken on water after a shower or a trip to the pool... dont ask me details, but alcohol and other distractions have made me forget that I had them on at the time. It's quite a shit feeling to see that condensation on the inside of a Submariner or Breitling replica and realize there's no warranty for fake shit built in china. The only other time that happened was with an Aldo watch I bought years ago before getting into watches. So that's $300 x 3 ... close to a thousand dollar mistake because I thought it was no big deal to get a fake watch. The one thing replicas did for me was get me into the genuine. I can tell you that none of my genuine Rolex or Panerai have had this issue. It's not the price per se, as I've made plenty of thousand dollar mistakes, but it's the feeling of being fuxxed as the lovely 99% replica fails miserably at doing a very basic watch function. I dont own any replicas at the moment, but I dont consider it terrible to own one or two, as long as if the question arises, one is honest and admits 'yea its a fake' Truth is not subjective. To pass oneself off as something one has never achieved nor wants to work toward achieving, whether by pretense of action or by ownership of counterfeit luxury goods, is the hallmark of con artists and liars. Youre never sure where the bull$hit ends and the real begins. |
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i wear watches to sleep, gym, pool, shower... most times i just forget i have them on. |
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Actually for quite a few generics the prices have skyrocketed. And when they go up 10x in price the insurance will continue to reimburse us at the lower price for months making for huge loss. Its no accident they are slow with their pricing changes.
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03-10-2014, 08:30 PM | #132 | |
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New or used it doesn't really make a difference to the argument. The argument is about an authentic rolex, compared to a knock off. You can buy an authentic last season entry line rolex for a 4k from ben bridge, similar to buying a year old CPO m3. It all depends on the individual. If I cant afford it, I won't buy a knock off. I am not trying to bash the members here that wearing fakes, but I don't see the point. Buy what you can afford, and rock it. lol.
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