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      04-06-2020, 12:32 PM   #10297
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I At this point it seems like the media wants the treatments to fail, just so Trump fails.
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Hearing about BoJo in ICU now. As a reminder. UK had an initial strategy of "herd immunity", where they just let the entire population get the virus.

To me it seems clear that was our admins strategy. I base this off public statements POTUS made at the time. One specifically comes to mind

March 16: the outbreak would “wash” away this summer: “So it could be right in that period of time where it, I say, wash — it washes through. Other people don’t like that term. But where it washes through.”

Using an epidemiologist phrase was a clue that someone presented this as a viable option and that was the option chosen.

He'll have A1 treatment and can hope for the best for him. Jesus, what a terrible way to think about dying. Unable to breath and no loved ones allowed near you.
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Hearing about BoJo in ICU now. As a reminder. UK had an initial strategy of "herd immunity", where they just let the entire population get the virus.

To me it seems clear that was our admins strategy. I base this off public statements POTUS made at the time. One specifically comes to mind

March 16: the outbreak would “wash” away this summer: “So it could be right in that period of time where it, I say, wash — it washes through. Other people don’t like that term. But where it washes through.”

Using an epidemiologist phrase was a clue that someone presented this as a viable option and that was the option chosen.

He'll have A1 treatment and can hope for the best for him. Jesus, what a terrible way to think about dying. Unable to breath and no loved ones allowed near you.
As pointed several time our world leader was naive enough to believe the offical data from china and the who. Everyone who was wise enough to not trust China or a UN organization knew what was coming down the pipe.
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As pointed several time our world leader was naive enough to believe the offical data from china and the who. Everyone who was wise enough to not trust China or a UN organization knew what was coming down the pipe.
When he made that statement in March over 15,000 had already died in Italy.
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When he made that statement in March over 15,000 had already died in Italy.
Italy didn't hit 15 thousand deaths until last week.
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      04-06-2020, 04:42 PM   #10302
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Even if President Xi told him "very strongly" and they had a "tremendous relationship" he was tweeting about the entire time, there is nothing else that explains the lost month.

Steps taken in March were almost tentative with poor follow thru. As if this admin still didn't want to acknowledge the initial strategy was wrong.

This recommending of hydroxy chloroquine is the entire response thus far in a microcosm.
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Italy didn't hit 15 thousand deaths until last week.
You're correct, article I referenced was poorly worded. It was ~3000 on March 18th

Point remains the same.
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You're correct, article I referenced was poorly worded. It was ~3000 on March 18th

Point remains the same.
You're still off by a 5 fold number. Any strategy which isn't correct, in retrospect, looks idiotic.
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I agree with this, but I also think this should go towards the media too. At this point it seems like the media wants the treatments to fail, just so Trump fails.
That’s just not true. It’s more that people are digging for shreds of anything to give hope and ignoring the fact that we’ve actually been giving chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine to lots of people around the world with mixed results.

The truth is we really don’t know how effective the chloroquines are for this disease. We do know it’s not a cure all by any means. The Koreans and Chinese have been using it since mid January off-label. People are still dying. NYC hospitals are using it often now, people are still dying. Do you think Boris Johnson didn’t get it, along with anything else that’s in the pipeline? He’s in the ICU.

The bottom line is that this is not even the first time hydroxychloroquine has been tried as an antiviral because it looks good in vitro, but it’s never seemed to be all that good at improving outcomes. I remain hopeful it will be effective if taken early in the disease or as post exposure prophylaxis. We will know soon, but we need to know it works before we hand it out like candy because it’s candy that can cause arrhythmias and worse in rare instances. The nightmares sound fun too. As soon as I saw Chris Cuomo's description of his bizarre dreams I wondered if he was being treated with it.

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When he made that statement in March over 15,000 had already died in Italy.
The update reports that include what was occuring in italy appear on the 6th

The WHO didn't declare a pandemic until the 11th.

FYI I've been following this since January so I'm fully aware what, when, why, where, who, and how all this occured.
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I'm sure this is fine. It's just our tax money, we still have our health...oh wait

Trump Removes Watchdog Who Heads Panel Overseeing Pandemic Stimulus Spending

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-r...al-11586277895
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Not only does Trump not trust officials appointed under him, he doesn't seem to trust anyone who doesn't "promote the brand". Disgusting.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...r-carrying-out
Outgoing inspector general says Trump fired him for carrying out his 'legal obligations'

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Trump: Health and Human Services watchdog produced "fake dossier" on coronavirus
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I'm sure this is fine. It's just our tax money, we still have our health...oh wait

Trump Removes Watchdog Who Heads Panel Overseeing Pandemic Stimulus Spending

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-r...al-11586277895
What the hell? This is setting the stage for BLATANT corruption.
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I'm sure this is fine. It's just our tax money, we still have our health...oh wait

Trump Removes Watchdog Who Heads Panel Overseeing Pandemic Stimulus Spending

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-r...al-11586277895
What the hell? This is setting the stage for BLATANT corruption.
That's not how Hannity will spin it.......
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What the hell? This is setting the stage for BLATANT corruption.
Everyday for three + years. Same cycle. Corruption and self dealing, then a distraction. Today it's the "Trump talks about cutting funding to WHO".
Red meat to control the social media narrative.
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I have heard that the Trump Hotel empire is losing over $1 million a day in revenues due to the virus and as president, he is very much ineligible to receive government aid/stimulus the other chains may receive. I sure hope this event does not portend the next constitutional crisis. Could get ugly.
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I have heard that the Trump Hotel empire is losing over $1 million a day in revenues due to the virus and as president, he is very much ineligible to receive government aid/stimulus the other chains may receive. I sure hope this event does not portend the next constitutional crisis. Could get ugly.
If the hotels qualify for the relief funds, I don't see why that's a problem.
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Its a conflict of interest, among other problems.
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Its a conflict of interest, among other problems.
Trump didn't write the bill, congress did. You don't beleive our congress men and woman are invested in these industries that got relief in some way or form? That would be just as much of a conflict of interest.

Most of Trump's hotels are just licensing deals anyways, he doesn't actually own them.
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Trump didn't write the bill, congress did. You don't beleive our congress men and woman are invested in these industries that got relief in some way or form? That would be just as much of a conflict of interest.

Most of Trump's hotels are just licensing deals anyways, he doesn't actually own them.
None of the leaders of the Executive branch, Senate, or The House can benefit directly from the stimulus. Its written into the Bill which is law.
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None of the leaders of the Executive branch, Senate, or The House can benefit directly from the stimulus. Its written into the Bill which is law.
The key word there is directly, and neither will Trump.

I just looked it up, it doesn't say direct, it says controlled, which benefits our politicians even more, including trump. They can be limited partners or have stocks in the business and it isn't a conflict.

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