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      09-14-2018, 04:33 PM   #23
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Slower than Civic Type R 300x HP :
That was not a stock civic type R
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Type R 7:43. awesome that a full-featured roadster is that close to the time of a purpose built track car.

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That was not a stock civic type R
Just a cage and radio gone. but faster is faster.

I dont see this as a bad thing, this a full featured luxury road car roadster vs a purpose built track car. I'd be happy with anything thats even close to the Type R in this kinda package.
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Just a cage and radio gone. but faster is faster.

I dont see this as a bad thing, this a full featured luxury road car roadster vs a purpose built track car. I'd be happy with anything thats even close to the Type R in this kinda package.
Definitely the Civic Type R is fast car on track.
However, tire makes a huge difference for track time.

Fact that Honda does not specify what tire they used to set the record time seems suspicious .

BTW, MPSS or MP4S is nowhere near the track purpose tire.
Compared to Bridgestone RE71r, it will be about about 1~2 seconds slower in 60 sec course. (can be more or less, depends on track)
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Definitely the Civic Type R is fast car on track.
However, tire makes a huge difference for track time.

Fact that Honda does not specify what tire they used to set the record time seems suspicious .

BTW, MPSS or MP4S is nowhere near the track purpose tire.
Compared to Bridgestone RE71r, it will be about about 1~2 seconds slower in 60 sec course. (can be more or less, depends on track)
“It wore Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires at the Nürburgring, Honda said, although the production model will get Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires as standard.”
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Just a cage and radio gone...
...and removal of rear seats and non-standard Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.

Apples to apples...Sport Auto times.
Z4 M40i - 7:55
Civic Type R - 8:01
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The 0-60 time is 4.6 seconds, which is the Euro spec. BMW USA has said the North American spec will do it in "under 4.4 seconds".
4.6sec is 0-100km/h not 0-60mph, according bmw.de.
That's 62 mph so 4.4 seems about right

He runs a very nice lap.
Slower to 60 than the M2 (base or comp). Wonder if it's tires for the track time
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That was not a stock civic type R
Just a cage and radio gone. but faster is faster.

I dont see this as a bad thing, this a full featured luxury road car roadster vs a purpose built track car. I'd be happy with anything thats even close to the Type R in this kinda package.
Let's get real.

It also had R Compound Tyers.
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Gearbox on downshifts is not fast enough you can hear it.
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BTW, MPSS or MP4S is nowhere near the track purpose tire.
Compared to Bridgestone RE71r, it will be about about 1~2 seconds slower in 60 sec course. (can be more or less, depends on track)
Did I say the MPSS or MPS4 are FASTER than today’s track tires?

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that.

I recall the r-comps and near slicks from the late 199x and early 200x, tires like the original Victoracers and the early Toyo RA1s being about as grippy as TODAY’s latest Michelin too end summer tires (but without the road manners, longevity, and WET handling). I ran Falken Azeris RT-615 on track, and they were the “hot” track tires in mid 2000s and they’re nowhere near what today’s streetable track tires like the Bridgestone RE71R, Hankook RS4, or even BFG Rivals.

Compared to track tires from about 10-15 years ago, the MPS4s are comparable in lateral grip. They’re not track tires, but they pull times SIMILAR to last generation r-comps. The MPSSes are comparable to r-comps of 2 generations ago, the early RA1 and Victoracers.

Some of today’s “street” tires are about as grippy as the latest r-comps. He’ll I ran Federal 555RSR-Rs at Laguna Seca, and those are my “street” tires and I set a personal fast lap on those $75/tire “economy” tires.
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Tells me nothing about the details and feel of a car. When I read anything about useless "ring times" for any car my only reaction is...
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Gearbox on downshifts is not fast enough you can hear it.
No doubt but it's quite a nimble little sucker.
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Tells me nothing about the details and feel of a car. When I read anything about useless "ring times" for any car my only reaction is...
It's bmw electric steering..what do u expect lol
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Guys, this is why comparing Nurburgring times today is MEANINGLESS. The production car track record set by Porsche 911 GT3 RS? Special Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires formulated JUST for setting a single lap track record for Porsche.

I attended BMW's Ultimate Driving Experience a month ago, and guess what every single one of the car on the lot is shod with?

Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

Every. Single. One.

You think PS4s were standard issue tires on all the 530Es? Hardly.

They shod the Z4 M40i given to the test with the latest and greatest street-street tires Michelin makes, period. The Pilot Super Sports were already faster than R-Comps of yesteryear. The PS4s are even BETTER than the Super Sports.

Look. I took my car shod with factory fun-flats to a local track for some shake down laps, as I am fond to do for ALL my cars. In some of the turns it sustained 1.6G without me pushing the car. One. Point. Six. Gees. Let that sink in. Formula One race cars on race slicks in 199xs were pulling 1.6Gs in turns. Now cars with FACTORY FUN-FLATS pull sustained 1.6G in high speed turns.

Let that sink in. Really. These times are meaningless, as I am almost CERTAIN you slap on a set of MY factory fun flats in the right size on my old school MZ4 Coupe and you can watch it churn laps in the 7:5x range too. Nurburgring time has now become basically car manufacturer's d*ck waving contest, but instead of who REALLY has the biggest d*ck, it's who's got the best pharmacist (Michelin) that can provide the best Viagra like substance.

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wow...it's quick!
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At least this thing is properly quick given there will be no Z4M. Very impressive track performance for a road-going luxury roadster!
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And they still won't produce an actual z4m
They real pain is that there is no coupe version. That would have been something really special.
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And they still won't produce an actual z4m
They real pain is that there is no coupe version. That would have been something really special.
I guess like any business case it'll depend on demand. If the Z4 M40i sells like hot cakes and people are waving money wanting more then who knows. If it sells like a niche product, and no one buys it, there's no money to be made in speccing an M version - I suspect that's why the i8 didn't get any other power levels. Presumably also Toyota and BMW could in future agree to share convertible / coupe bodies if the demand is there for Z4 and Supra reciprocally.
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They real pain is that there is no coupe version. That would have been something really special.
It’s called the Supra.
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They real pain is that there is no coupe version. That would have been something really special.
It’s called the Supra.
I imagine that's going to be at least a 450 hp car...add in the beefed suspension and brakes and I may be buying my first Toyota!
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I imagine that's going to be at least a 450 hp car...add in the beefed suspension and brakes and I may be buying my first Toyota!
I doubt it'll be any different power-wise than the Z4. This is Toyota we're talking about.
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