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      12-22-2019, 08:56 AM   #1
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I used to be a Liberal

I was a liberal in my 20's, in my 30's realized liberal policies hurt the poor more than they help!

Why do people in places like Detroit, Baltimore, San Fransisco keep electing Democrats with the same failed policies that ruined their cities?

They run businesses out of town, constantly vilify law enforcement, failing schools, high crime rates and they dont seem to have a solution!
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I'm of the opinion that everyone is born a liberal. Everybody. A newborn is completely dependent on others. As a helpless child someone else is responsible for putting a roof over your head, providing food, clothing and medical care. As the months and years go by, that dependence should shift. The normal process of growing up should include a progression of responsibility training such as sweeping the floor, taking out the trash, etc. Along with that should be self-sufficiency training and acceptance of responsibility for one's actions.

In my opinion, an adult liberal is simply not grown up. It's a lack of maturity to expect someone else to provide a roof and food and medical care for those capable of providing those things on their own.
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I was a liberal in my 20's, in my 30's realized liberal policies hurt the poor more than they help!

Why do people in places like Detroit, Baltimore, San Fransisco keep electing Democrats with the same failed policies that ruined their cities?

They run businesses out of town, constantly vilify law enforcement, failing schools, high crime rates and they dont seem to have a solution!
OPM (Other People's Money) and they don't understand the difference between equal outcome vs equal opportunity.
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I'm of the opinion that everyone is born a liberal. Everybody. A newborn is completely dependent on others. As a helpless child someone else is responsible for putting a roof over your head, providing food, clothing and medical care. As the months and years go by, that dependence should shift. The normal process of growing up should include a progression of responsibility training such as sweeping the floor, taking out the trash, etc. Along with that should be self-sufficiency training and acceptance of responsibility for one's actions.

In my opinion, an adult liberal is simply not grown up. It's a lack of maturity to expect someone else to provide a roof and food and medical care for those capable of providing those things on their own.
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      12-22-2019, 05:36 PM   #5
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Liberals think that all discrepancies are due to injustice, that all success is theft, and that poverty is virtuous...though only for other people.
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      12-22-2019, 08:13 PM   #6
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My great grandmother (born when the Statue of Liberty was still un-mined copper in the ground) told me in her final days that I should always vote democrat, because they take care of the people.

In my 20's, I met a friend who was a child when his family fled the iron curtain at great danger...with nothing but the clothes on their back. They managed to start up a small business when they arrived in the USA, and made a decent living for their family. This friend was a staunch republican, having fled liberalism/socialism run amok.

At this point, I realized that my great-grandmother had grown up in NYC during the peak of Tammany Hall. Just like the liberals of today, Tammany Hall "took care of the people" in order to get their votes and stay in power.

I self-identify as fiscally conservative ever since that realization, and am really not happy with either the donkeys or elephants right now because of their out-of-control deficit spending. If ever we needed a third-party candidate like Ross Perot, now is the time.....
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Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Libertarian. Unfortunately, no one running as a libertarian has any real chance of winning.

So, I vote for those who will take away the least amount of rights, based on the order of importance I place said rights in, with the 2A being, by far, the most important of the rights, as I believe it guarantees the other rights.

I strongly dislike the social conservatism of the Republicans, but as they are, in general, the ones least like to take away 2A rights, I mostly vote Republican.
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I am socially conservative. Have 3 young children and don't like the direction of today's society.

I don't see a problem of helping people that truly need help. Sure there are those that will miss use the help, but no need to punish others, especially children.

I have voted both blue and red, but lately I just can't side with the Democrats. Everything that party does is against my believes.
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I am socially conservative. Have 3 young children and don't like the direction of today's society.

I don't see a problem of helping people that truly need help. Sure there are those that will miss use the help, but no need to punish others, especially children.

I have voted both blue and red, but lately I just can't side with the Democrats. Everything that party does is against my believes.
I've been a conservatie Republican since I can remember. I've always voted for a Republican President. However I have crossed party lines and have voted for Democrats on the state and local level. Never again. I'm going to vote entirely Republican for the rest of my life.
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I'm of the opinion that everyone is born a liberal. Everybody. A newborn is completely dependent on others. As a helpless child someone else is responsible for putting a roof over your head, providing food, clothing and medical care. As the months and years go by, that dependence should shift. The normal process of growing up should include a progression of responsibility training such as sweeping the floor, taking out the trash, etc. Along with that should be self-sufficiency training and acceptance of responsibility for one's actions.

In my opinion, an adult liberal is simply not grown up. It's a lack of maturity to expect someone else to provide a roof and food and medical care for those capable of providing those things on their own.
That's now what liberals think that's just some fantasy republicans tell each other over and over so they can find a way to feel superior to other ppl. But it's all a fantasy
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I used to be a liberal when I was much younger (teens) then a republican, and now I don't trust anyone.


I think people who feel one party is better over the other really don't understand politics, or the inner workings of our government. Most (not all) of the career politicians couldn't give a rat's ass about the good of the common people, or anyone besides themselves (even members of the same party).

I've seen it first hand, where money that could've gone to things like education, building roads, funding programs for disabled people, etc, instead went to no-bid contracts for their friends for construction programs that will never be completed, or projects that will ensure the politician gets re-elected next term.

The real problem is most of the people of our nation are kept in the dark about the real issues, or are ignorant/don't want to know. Most will vote for a candidate for any office because "they seem nice" or "they sound intelligent" or because of everything the media has told them. Nobody has that want to think outside the box, and look at what is going on. Unfortunately with my job I'm forced to see it at the educational and municipal level.
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I am fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, but only to the point of where the liberal infringes on the rights of others. To me, that is a very well defined line. That is where the modern Liberal has gone astray.

I really do not care if you want to be known by a term that is not male or female, and I will try to accommodate the best I can if I know what you would like to be called. Just don't throw a fit and sue me if I get it wrong not knowing who you are and how you identify.

I happily give to causes that help others, just don't make it mandatory through taxes to give you something for a cause that I do not believe in.

I own one powder actuated rifle that my dad gave me, but have never shot it. Leave the gift from my father alone.

If you come to my restaurant and have dollars to pay for food, I am happy to serve you. If you don't have dollars, I will wrap you up a burrito to go so you do not go hungry. But please do not use the bathroom to give yourself your weekly shower and stink it up for my paying customers. It breaks my heart to tell you to leave, but I have to. I have a business to run and employees to protect, and there are shelters down the street for you to use a shower.

You do you, and I'll do me. If you need help, ask, and I will probably help. Do not demand because I will push back.

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Edit to add: I am a registered independent, and have voted for both R's and D's.
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That's now what liberals think that's just some fantasy republicans tell each other over and over so they can find a way to feel superior to other ppl. But it's all a fantasy
When are you going to grow up?
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I'm of the opinion that everyone is born a liberal. Everybody. A newborn is completely dependent on others. As a helpless child someone else is responsible for putting a roof over your head, providing food, clothing and medical care. As the months and years go by, that dependence should shift. The normal process of growing up should include a progression of responsibility training such as sweeping the floor, taking out the trash, etc. Along with that should be self-sufficiency training and acceptance of responsibility for one's actions.

In my opinion, an adult liberal is simply not grown up. It's a lack of maturity to expect someone else to provide a roof and food and medical care for those capable of providing those things on their own.

Probably one of the best quotes Iíve read in a while.
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Been a Republican all my life. My parents fled communism and migrated to the USA legally, they worked two jobs to make ends meet and provide for my sister and me never taking a hand out from the government.

Today I will admit that it has become a circus but in the end I'm voting Republican because they will do the least amount of damage, they support legal immigration, 2A and most importantly don't believe that welfare is a career...

The Democrats have lost their way and their minds and are solely responsible for the current atmosphere of hate and division. They just have never gotten over the fact that Trump beat their candidate.
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Been a Republican all my life. My parents fled communism and migrated to the USA legally, they worked two jobs to make ends meet and provide for my sister and me never taking a hand out from the government.

Today I will admit that it has become a circus but in the end I'm voting Republican because they will do the least amount of damage, they support legal immigration, 2A and most importantly don't believe that welfare is a career...

The Democrats have lost their way and their minds and are solely responsible for the current atmosphere of hate and division. They just have never gotten over the fact that Trump beat the ANOINTED ONE.
FTFY...
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That's now what liberals think that's just some fantasy republicans tell each other over and over so they can find a way to feel superior to other ppl. But it's all a fantasy
Its almost as if some of the posters in this thread have never even spoken with someone who votes D, but just formed their opinions based on what people post on the internet
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I've always been a republican. My mother was/is a liberal democrat, you couldn't say "gun" or "Reagan" around her. My dad is a moderate republican who is very fiscally conservateive and moderate on the social issues.

I took the republican path. I've been readiing the paper since I was 11 or 12, and the GOP positions attracted me. I was a mid-cities (Dallas area) young republican ages 18 through 24 or 25. I am more conservative than my father.

I have never been a liberal, at all. I like the old-fashioned libertarian idea of very limited government, though I strongly disagree with Libertarianism as represented currently by the Pauls (Ron and Rand), on lack of regulation (Some is needed. Trust but verify, as Reagan once famously said) and head in the sand foreign policy.

But todays GOP has strayed from the ideals that attracted me to it:

While I agree that we need a strong military, we let Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics (to name a few) gouge us for our military.

Will we ever have a balanced budget?

Are we afraid to compete? While I favored the TPP, if it wasn't a good deal for us, renegotiate. Our absence benefits China, not us. Mutual defence, whether economically or militarily, is the only policy that makes sense. Isolationism failed in the past (like socialism), and I believe it will fail now.

I could go on on many different areas, but the last one that most of you know about me already, my main difference with the current GOP, is Trump.

Trump believes he is above the law, that there are no constraints on his power. He seems to believe he is a king, not a president. And those defending him, with seemingly no thought about it, only encourage this behavior. I respect if someone says what Trump did in Ukraine was wrong but not impeachable. We can agree to disagree.But saying he did nothing wrong is beyond the pale of believability. Comparing Trump to the persecution of Jesus, or the impeachment probe to Pearl Harbor, is ignorant and unintelligent.
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Its almost as if some of the posters in this thread have never even spoken with someone who votes D, but just formed their opinions based on what people post on the internet
Quite the contrary, at least in my case. Both parents were high school science teachers and union members. Mom was the union representative for her district and attended Bill Clinton's inauguration. I was a Teamster for 20 years. I don't need a tour guide to know my way around liberal politics.

Then again, that was liberalism years ago. When liberals cared about working people and extending a hand to the downtrodden. Nowadays what passes for liberalism is a circus act where whack-jobs compete for who has the most piercings and who can invent the most imaginary genders.
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I think this thread got "got popcorn" written all over it :-)

Of all the pics "anglo" posted on the other thread, I can't decide whether he's an extreme leftist pimp or a hard core pup :-)

But seriously, at the end of the day, it's all about preventing "complacency", be it liberalism or conservatism. A little bit of both may be a good thing. Either being extreme on either side will lead to complacency and that's the beef :-)
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