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As a former Z4 M Coupe owner, I really wanted to love this car, but I just can't. It's unremarkable in every way.
Maybe if we get a coupe version it'll look better, but this is just uninspired and, well... boring. That front lip is tacky as hell, too. |
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We have to give up the hard top to comply with Euro/ Eco rules. I wont have another soft top.
The concept is grotesque. No blood lines, except maybe from a new Honda Civic. Dopey oversize scoops. I am sure the actual production car will be cleaned up and look OK but no more soft tops for me. Last edited by impulsE89; 11-12-2017 at 07:16 AM.. |
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11-11-2017, 06:51 PM | #246 | |
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Why is that? What european rule are you exactly reffering to?
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11-12-2017, 07:15 AM | #247 |
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https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/...hicles/cars_en
Complex subject. Notice the fines. weight savings has become crucial for meeting Co2 standards. |
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11-12-2017, 10:29 AM | #248 |
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I think the G29 is The best looking Bmw I’ve seen in years. In addition to saving weight and being mechanically simpler than a hard top, the soft top will let you drop the top with a trunk load of luggage or groceries.
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11-12-2017, 03:30 PM | #249 |
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The top does go down, with items in the trunk. With luggage you probably will be on the interstate with the top up. When you arrive you unload and drop the top if you want to. Actually you can get luggage in there too.The hard top makes this car very versatile.
The soft tops are claustrophobic, visibility is annoying, the tops expendable and costly, the rear window deteriorates, the side windows don't seal, it balloons at highway speeds, and they don't like snow and ice. I love roadsters and have had many. The soft top is something I no longer have to put up with, but I hope it does well. Perhaps the price will drop and the car will make the sporty pundits happy by saving a few pounds. It is really all about Euro Co2 compliance. |
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And I have to say that there has been more than one occasion that the wife and I loaded up the trunk at Costco and drive home top down. You may prefer a hard top and that is your right but some of your statements about soft tops conflict with my experience with the E85. |
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11-13-2017, 08:55 AM | #253 |
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The bullet grille seems to be coming into vogue. Mercedes is using it, too.
But it's really a very old design, and neither of the German automakers has it in its heritage. General Motors does, during its gaudy period of over-the-top design.
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Always glad to hear positives. My statement was quite general about various roadsters and converts that I have had over the years.
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11-14-2017, 11:30 AM | #255 | |
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11-14-2017, 01:49 PM | #256 | |
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The weight is only a factor for the limit value curve, which sets the max. output for a vehicle. That means they can still make a big heavy suv with big engine (relatively big) but within limits. The fleet average is independant of the weight. But sure if the extra weight of the roof really adds up to the gas mileage of the car then its a decision they have to make: make z4's and less X6's or the other way around. But if the extra weight of the folding metal roof really is such a deciding mechanical factor, one could ask themselves if that extra weight has a place on a sportscar. From what I see people just dont want them anymore. Most people have a car like this as a second (often garaged) car so the weatherproof durability is no issue. Sportyness, and bootspace for a weekend out with the top down to enjoy the weather is probably more important. One of the reasons the 6 never came with a metal folding roof. The 6 conv is virtually always bought as a weekend car. And for the Z it also shows in its sales figures. The e89 sold badly. And even worse: it sold very badly in its primary target market. It lost a big market segment. Thats why bmw changed over to the soft top again. Its a sales thing. Not a eu legislation thing. As for ballooning on the highway: I live very close to the A31 in germany (probably one of germanys longest stretch of unlimited autobahn). There the ballooning sometimes is a problem But on the US snailbahn....not so much.
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BTW I am a big fan of the BMW motorsport acivities they support. At the track they invited me to sit in the racing z4 and chat with their very congenial drivers. As for legislation, when I see Porsche risk replacing their iconic sixes with 4 cylinder turbos, I have to think that every ounce that can be taken out of a low production car and put into a hot selling Suv is vital to the survival of the company. Bmw makes about 1500 SUVs each day here in South Carolina. Look at the figures above. BMW is an SUV company and doing very well in that segment. Just my opinion but i believe legislation drives this kind of strategic weight reduction and fuel consumption whether here or in Euro. Glad soft tops make more sense for you. In a luxury roadster I prefer the the metal roof. I will try to keep an open mind about the 2018 Z. |
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But in the past, the Z4 (and z3) outsold the boxster, even in the us. When the e89 came, that didnt happen, especially in the 2nd half of its lifecycle. So I'm sure its a sales thing. However the e89 did relatively well in europe compared to the US. But the US remains the target market because US models are usually better equipped so bmw on average earns more on every US car being sold than a european car (on average bigger engines, more luxury, and on those things a car maker makes the most money) Quote:
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But as far as the metal roof goes: it is not a legislation thing. The only legislation there is, is that a certain fleet average has to be met. You can have certain models emitting more as long as you compensate that somehow (either by having correspondent fuel efficient models, or buying emission right from other companies, or paying the extra fine) It's also not said that a metal roof even increases gas mileage. Maybe heavier, but sometimes also better CW value. Its a fact that the e89 has a slightly lower drag coefficient than the e85.
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I thought these looked pretty cool.
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