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      12-08-2019, 10:12 AM   #1
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Interesting Supra Review for Z4 Owners?

Most of the points have been made previously, but this guy does a professional job presenting them. I hope I'm not out of line for recommending this review here, but as a Z4 M40i owner, I found it interesting and I hope some of you do too.

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Thanks for posting. I enjoyed the review and the comparisons and differences between the Supra and the Z4.
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      12-11-2019, 01:04 PM   #3
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Very interesting review - thanks for posting. Wow, does this car cost only $49k in the US. Sounds like a bargain to me.
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      12-11-2019, 11:14 PM   #4
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Very interesting review - thanks for posting. Wow, does this car cost only $49k in the US. Sounds like a bargain to me.
I do know it's MSRP is considerably less than the BMW M40i and it is getting really positive reviews for the way it drives. That being said, I'm happy to own the BMW. I prefer a two seater as a convertible roadster.
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I don't know what others think but the new Supra looks like it's been designed by a 13 year old.
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I had to revive this because I'm in the market for a Z4 now as my 340's lease is up...

I've read a lot of reviews and watched a lot of videos of both cars.

The Z4 is a convertible... That in itself puts it in a different class then the Supra. I personally would look harder at the Supra if it had MORE power out the of gate but it doesnt.

Also - Now that it is 3 months later (seems like time has stood still though) I'm curious what the future holds for the Z4. My dealer has stated no new manufacturing of the 2020's will take place and the details on the 2021's have not surfaced.

I'm curious if they will kill the line or give it some type of true M treatment. If they but the S58 in that little body it would really be one hell of a sports car.

edit: It seems an admin moved this post from another thread and put it here... Obviously totally out of context and half of it doesn't make sense.

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      05-05-2020, 06:53 PM   #7
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I had to revive this because I'm in the market for a Z4 now as my 340's lease is up...

I've read a lot of reviews and watched a lot of videos of both cars.

The Z4 is a convertible... That in itself puts it in a different class then the Supra. I personally would look harder at the Supra if it had MORE power out the of gate but it doesnt.

Also - Now that it is 3 months later (seems like time has stood still though) I'm curious what the future holds for the Z4. My dealer has stated no new manufacturing of the 2020's will take place and the details on the 2021's have not surfaced.

I'm curious if they will kill the line or give it some type of true M treatment. If they but the S58 in that little body it would really be one hell of a sports car.

edit: It seems an admin moved this post from another thread and put it here... Obviously totally out of context and half of it doesn't make sense.
The Magna Steyr plant in Austria (where the Z4 is manufactured) had been shut down due to Covid-19. I think I read somewhere that they are just now slowly opening production back up. That doesn’t mean all the suppliers are open yet and ship parts. So that’s probably why they are no longer producing new custom ordered 2020’s. Dealers will probably be able to order 2021 in the June or July time frame (based on history).

BMW has pretty much stated that they plan to produce the G29 Z4 for about 4 or 5 years, and unless something significantly changes in the market, there won’t be a direct successor.

Personally, and that’s pure speculation on my part, I am hoping they continue partnership with Toyota and/or another partner. I am also hoping they see the relative success of the Corvette (first time Corvette will be offered in international markets) and see that there is indeed a market. Hoping people opt for the convertible C8 more than the coupe version. But hope dies last.... even though rebellions are built upon hope. Still, given it was something like 12 years between the prior Z4 and the G29, I wouldn’t hold my breath that we’ll see much more than a very mild LCI refresh, and production may indeed stop for a couple of years after 2024 (last year of production).
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I'm curious if they will kill the line or give it some type of true M treatment. If they but the S58 in that little body it would really be one hell of a sports car.
Unlikely to kill the line; the car is relatively new. No "true M" treatment is likely either and FWIW, the M40i is already a hell of a sportscar IMO; other than a rabid few long time BMW Owners, I doubt there is a market for a more specialized and expensive version of the Z4

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It's my understanding Magna/Graz plans to restart BMW production on May 18. My Z4 order status moved from 111 to 112 a few days ago.
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Hmmmm. I really wish we got more info on what is changing with the 2021's. I want to take advantage of the BMS FS pays your first two payments but I need to take delivery by June 1st... That's $1000 right there down the drain if I wait for the 2021's. Buttttttt I'll get exactly the car I'm looking for so idk what to do.
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My guess is no significant changes to the car but pricing, option packages, etc. - definitely anything possible.
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I’ll only be pissed if they incorporate neck scarf next MY...or significantly increase HP for nearly the same price point. Pretty happy with the deal I got, the car situated as is. No time like the present as they say...and you certainly can’t take it all with ya. Live life while you can...and try not to sweat the small stuff.
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I’ll only be pissed if they incorporate neck scarf next MY...or significantly increase HP for nearly the same price point. Pretty happy with the deal I got, the car situated as is. No time like the present as they say...and you certainly can’t take it all with ya. Live life while you can...and try not to sweat the small stuff.
Yeah I'm all about living for today. I just cant find the build I want anywhere near me...

Blue w/black interior on the 19" Orbits. Executive package would also be preferred but not needed per say. I also technically don't need a car right now because the whole "stay-at-home". So maybe this is for the better...
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I’ll only be pissed if they incorporate neck scarf next MY...or significantly increase HP for nearly the same price point. Pretty happy with the deal I got, the car situated as is. No time like the present as they say...and you certainly can’t take it all with ya. Live life while you can...and try not to sweat the small stuff.
If there were significant changes, we would see test mules.

Like others have said: probably just changes in option packages, maybe more standard stuff, and hey, maybe the option to get a black grille here in the US on the M40i.
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      05-09-2020, 12:58 AM   #15
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If you don't mind voiding your warranty. You can easily push 500 + horsepower on a z4 or supra. Bmw makes it tougher by encrypting the ECU with every upgrade. Don't like anything about supra but the easy tuning! And its a Toyota
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I’ll only be pissed if they incorporate neck scarf next MY...or significantly increase HP for nearly the same price point. Pretty happy with the deal I got, the car situated as is. No time like the present as they say...and you certainly can’t take it all with ya. Live life while you can...and try not to sweat the small stuff.
Neck scarf should be in there as a luxury item already I think. But, this is what car manufacturers do by milking the lineup with subtle changes year to year. It makes even current owners want to upgrade eventually for just a few more features.

I think one other upgrade they might do is a full 360 parking camera and maybe live monitoring through the connected app. Oh and lane keep assist as opposed to lane departure warning.

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Supra doesn’t even factor in

As an early Z4 owner I can say I didn’t even consider the Supra and still wouldn’t at any price. The styling is horrible. This car is designed for the Civic Type R tuner crowd. Of course it’s cheaper - it’s not a convertible. Convertible cars are always $5-$7K more than a hardtop. In addition the Supra has BMWs last gen tech and last gen engine (which they had to fix only 1 model year later) Who wants that? The M40i people got a far superior car IMO. No question about it.


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I do know it's MSRP is considerably less than the BMW M40i and it is getting really positive reviews for the way it drives. That being said, I'm happy to own the BMW. I prefer a two seater as a convertible roadster.
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Ummm...just wow: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...dows-down-bad/

How’s that not show up until now....what’s worse than that whacky ear bending buffeting?
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They also did an updated 2021 review today... More power from the supra then the 2020 model because they got the m40/m340 b58 revision.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...upra-30-drive/

They were able to pull a 3.5 0-60 out of the thing. Crazy how the 2020 supra was 50hp less power then the Z4 but still quicker. Now this 2021 version would rip past a Z4 unfortunately.
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They also did an updated 2021 review today... More power from the supra then the 2020 model because they got the m40/m340 b58 revision.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...upra-30-drive/

They were able to pull a 3.5 0-60 out of the thing. Crazy how the 2020 supra was 50hp less power then the Z4 but still quicker. Now this 2021 version would rip past a Z4 unfortunately.
Sooo different even though so much the same. Starting to wonder about possible MY21 Z4 "tweaks".
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Yeah I'm curious to see the changes as well. So far it's been radio silence though. Not even a single leak!
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