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      11-19-2020, 03:48 PM   #45
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Mate .I couldn't agree more ,but as we know is predicting much easier in the best car of the decade ...

Bottas in the RB16 wouldn't finish one single race . But Bottas with ZERO RACECRAFT can win races in a MERC !
This is how good and fast the MERC really is ....
Enjoy that crystal ball yours, since you know what will happen when you put drivers in different cars.

You should find a way to put that talent to good use.
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I've been watching F1 for over 4 decades and I'm fairly certain points are scored on Sunday. Like last Sunday. When HAM won the race.

Lewis for the Win. Verstappen for the Spin.
My friend meanwhile I'm sure you know what was wrong with MAX's car .
As I said his front spoiler was 7degrees off ..Confirmed by Horner and Marko.
Ham's front spoiler was 100% OK. And he walked on the grass as well ...
HAM lost there 20 sec. with his walk in the park , not bad for the GOAT ! While MAX danced a 360 X 2 in P2, because in the pit they transformed his front spoiler in a horizontal Pisa Tower !

At the start MAX lost 6 places and 8 sec. by the lack of grip . All the other teams started the race in second gear and found by this much better traction .
The HONDA PU can not start in second gear . The Honda would stall in second gear .
I'm not sure if any other driver could finish the race in MAX' car .
Regarding MAX's issues during the race , is P6 absolutely not too bad.
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Enjoy that crystal ball yours, since you know what will happen when you put drivers in different cars.

You should find a way to put that talent to good use.
If you are driving in the best of the rest car . You won't need a crystal ball to know who will win the race ...

Talent ? That's 4 sure ! But his car isn't moving as the fastest car of the decade

Don't see another way coming in the next seasons ...Because HAM will sign for a 3 year Merc contract .
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Max lost 6 places at the start because he stood on the throttle and sat there with his wheel spinning while drivers with better throttle control drove past him...his fault no one elses.
Also Verstappen drove for 5+ laps after his bad wing setting change and before his super spin...plenty of time for a decent driver to asses the level of front end grip that he had and how the balance of the car had changed.
But he followed too close to Perez, went onto the wet kerb and ran out of talent.
Taking out the time lost to various spins and the extra pit stop would have seen him much better than 6th.
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      11-19-2020, 04:46 PM   #49
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^ The Honda engine can't start in 2nd gear as it would stall so it had to be 1st.
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If you are driving in the best of the rest car . You won't need a crystal ball to know who will win the race ...

Talent ? That's 4 sure ! But his car isn't moving as the fastest car of the decade

Don't see another way coming in the next seasons ...Because HAM will sign for a 3 year Merc contract .
So what about last saturday/sunday? Wasn't the fastest car then? What about 2018/2019 when Ferrari had faster straight line speed?
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I sure as hell hope you guys gets paid to sit here and provide excuses for Max. Don't you guys seriously have nothing better to do than to try and prove that your boy is better than an actual 7 time champion.

LMAO this is pure comedy, you guys are hilarious, and actually a little sad
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I sure as hell hope you guys gets paid to sit here and provide excuses for Max. Don't you guys seriously have nothing better to do than to try and prove that your boy is better than an actual 7 time champion.

LMAO this is pure comedy, you guys are hilarious, and actually a little sad
This...QFT.
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Top 3 car when you're comparing it to the Mercedes and the ("allegedly" illegal) 2018/2019 Ferrari is like saying best of the rest with no real hope of a win.

The 2007/2008 McLaren was pretty much the best car on the grid and certainly on level pegging with the Ferrari then. No other cars came close.


So I still don't think it's fair to compare Lewis and Max's first couple of seasons.

Lewis did an incredible job in his first season. He also had too many crashes in his next few seasons, including crashing into stationary cars in the pitlane in Canada when there was a clear red light.
He also squeezed people or went for gaps that weren't there or failed to concede a place that resulted in contact.

Even at Mercedes the collision with Rosberg in Barcelona was entirely prevented by Lewis lifting off when he was on the grass. He was never going to keep the place and ended up causing the crash.
Rosberg might have forced him off, but Lewis was the one that kept his foot in during an always 100% futile attempt to keep the overtake going. He lost control and hit Rosberg.



So he's made enough errors like Max.


It's also worth mentioning that the Red Bull clearly has a sensitive back end (ooh err) as Albon has found quite a lot. Max lost it in the wet in a corner following extremely closely to the car infront.
If you watch the footage from Spa when Perez(?) has the broken wing and moves across the back of another car, the violence of the wake as he passes right behind shakes the wing loads, but off to either side the wing was still. That's what caused Danny Ric to lose almost all front downforce in Baku when the RBs crashed. It's likely what upset Max's car in Turkey, far more than his driving.

And I say that with some significant credibility in aerodynamics and computational fluid dynamics, although not specifically in the field of motorsport.
Fiction. ROS derated and shut the door. He even admitted as such in interviews. Had ROS been in an opposing chassis, there would have been a penalty.

Lauda admonished Lewis about not waiting because ROS derated but the fault was clearly on the side of ROS.

At 13 seconds ROS forces HAM off the track. He is not on the racing line and doesn't leave room to race. The tactics of his mentor...MSC.

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New challenge:

M5theonlyone & ///M Power-Belgium

You stop posting in this forum until your hero MAX wins a race.
Making it easy, just a race, not a WDC because that would be a life sentence.

Or are you too chicken to accept?
Not that confident in your hero? He is the best right....

Queue the running for the hills and excuses to not accept this challenge.
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M5theonlyone & ///M Power-Belgium

You stop posting in this forum until your hero MAX wins a race.
Making it easy, just a race, not a WDC because that would be a life sentence.

Or are you too chicken to accept?
Not that confident in your hero? He is the best right....

Queue the running for the hills and excuses to not accept this challenge.
Oh boy. You did it now!!

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New challenge:

M5theonlyone & ///M Power-Belgium

You stop posting in this forum until your hero MAX wins a race.
Making it easy, just a race, not a WDC because that would be a life sentence.
Oh snap!

That's not mission improbable, that's mission impossible for the pro VER propaganda and HAM hatred machine.
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Even at Mercedes the collision with Rosberg in Barcelona was entirely prevented by Lewis lifting off when he was on the grass. He was never going to keep the place and ended up causing the crash.
Rosberg might have forced him off, but Lewis was the one that kept his foot in during an always 100% futile attempt to keep the overtake going. He lost control and hit Rosberg.
Fiction. ROS derated and shut the door. He even admitted as such in interviews. Had ROS been in an opposing chassis, there would have been a penalty.

Lauda admonished Lewis about not waiting because ROS derated but the fault was clearly on the side of ROS.

At 13 seconds ROS forces HAM off the track. He is not on the racing line and doesn't leave room to race. The tactics of his mentor...MSC.

Rosberg was the one that forced Lewis off track, I totally get that, and I even said as much above.

But Lewis was the one who kept the throttle pinned once he was off the track. That's what caused him to lose control and crash into Rosberg.


So Rosberg was in the wrong, but Lewis was the master of his own destiny there... he still could have avoided it becoming a crash. All he had to do was lift off, even a little bit, and pull back onto the track in 2nd place.

Lewis today would lift I think. Because he's got a more long-term big picture thinking process. But 5 years ago even he still had a bit of rashness.


It was an entirely avoidable accident by either party. Lewis had full ability to avoid it becoming a crash, and did not.
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^ The Honda engine can't start in 2nd gear as it would stall so it had to be 1st.
Thats an interesting point...odd though that the AlphaTauri also used first gear in the other Honda-powered cars and had better getaways.
Maybe they short shifted into 2nd.

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I sure as hell hope you guys gets paid to sit here and provide excuses for Max. Don't you guys seriously have nothing better to do than to try and prove that your boy is better than an actual 7 time champion.

LMAO this is pure comedy, you guys are hilarious, and actually a little sad
Are you paid by Mercedes to read it ?
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So what about last saturday/sunday? Wasn't the fastest car then? What about 2018/2019 when Ferrari had faster straight line speed?
Last sunday we didn't get the chance to see who drove the fastest car .
1- By the new asphalt layer
2- By the oil on the top layer from the new asphalt
3- By the above floating oil on water by the rain

In normal conditions the Merc is the fastest car of the decade .
Last sunday HAM had a lot of luck on his side , by his walk in the park his car could be damaged followed by a game over (DNF)
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M5theonlyone & ///M Power-Belgium

You stop posting in this forum until your hero MAX wins a race.
Making it easy, just a race, not a WDC because that would be a life sentence.

Or are you too chicken to accept?
Not that confident in your hero? He is the best right....

Queue the running for the hills and excuses to not accept this challenge.
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Sorry I missed you earlier, that's a star post
"Red Bull gives you wings" And MAX got his wings !

The M-VGAL Dassault Falcon-900EX
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"Red Bull gives you wings" And MAX got his wings !

The M-VGAL Dassault Falcon-900EX
Do you mean Max has that plane at his disposal my friend.
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I'm quite proud Max achieved that in my home country.
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Well said.

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Are you paid by Mercedes to read it ?
Well said my friend.
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