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      03-23-2020, 12:41 AM   #1
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Isolation and destruction of economy vs just continue our daily lives?

This shutdown and isolation is going to destroy our economy and way of life.
What does the alternative look like for us if we just ignore the virus and get back to our normal routines? A few people dead? Everyone dead?!
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      03-23-2020, 12:48 AM   #2
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This shutdown and isolation is going to destroy our economy and way of life.
What does the alternative look like for us if we just ignore the virus and get back to our normal routines? A few people dead? Everyone dead?!
I don't know but I am good with a couple weeks and then we need to find out what happens if everyone under 60 gets back to work. Still practicing the best possible standards of keeping distance etc. We are fucked if we spend months in a shut down state.
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      03-23-2020, 01:35 AM   #3
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I don't think it would work. look what Italy tried to do. Most of the US workforce will be fine, the virus is mostly taking out those who have retired.. but either you quarantine now or wait ... hospitals and doctors get fed up with the lack of containing the virus, lack of ventilators, choosing who lives and dies, PPE runs out, they get sick, maybe even quit... now nobody gets healthcare. Now the government has to step in and quarantine and shut down the economy.

... the end result will still be the same from an economic standpoint. I'd probably want to go with the scenario that has less deaths.
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The problem is one of exponential growth. If you look at the way the virus has exploded in every other region, the problem isn't that the vast majority have little or no symptoms. It's the ones that require medical attention over burden the system. The deaths will also come from people who don't have COVID-19 but other urgent needs and those needs can't be met due to the overcrowding of the system. Here in Ontario, they've been calling it "hallway medicine" for years. The system is almost always working at over 100%. An influx of a few thousand critical patients will crash the system's ability to treat most of them. The whole social distancing thing and isolation isn't to stop the spread of the virus but to slow it so that the medical system can deal with it.

I'll add this: two weeks isn't going to stop or slow the spread in any measurable way. I suspect this will have to go on for a few months, and the distancing will have to go on much, much longer.

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Spain? Italy?
Probably most people will get this thing. But its better to spread it out so as to give the medical system time to gear up and not get overwhelmed.

In some ways this whole COVID-19 is a Drill. Its serious but not fatal. Hopefully what we learn here will benefit when the "Big One" hits. If this thing destroys us we deserve to be flushed.
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Spain? Italy?
Probably most people will get this thing. But its better to spread it out so as to give the medical system time to gear up and not get overwhelmed.

In some ways this whole COVID-19 is a Drill. Its serious but not fatal. Hopefully what we learn here will benefit when the "Big One" hits. If this thing destroys us we deserve to be flushed.
Right. This is a weakling compared to the potential ones mother natures has the ability to draw up.

imagine Ebola, a disease that spread mostly by blood to blood contact or saliva... basically very close personal contact and has a 50% average death rate… but now imagine that with the ability to spread like this current virus via respiratory droplets and coughs.
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Hong Kong is a case study of what happens if you "restart the economy" too soon. Basically, you have to start your emergency measures all over again.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/...hnk/index.html
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Our single biggest issue is that we still do not have widespread testing available. We will not be able to make a good evaluation until this has been the case for at least a couple of weeks.
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Our single biggest issue is that we still do not have widespread testing available. We will not be able to make a good evaluation until this has been the case for at least a couple of weeks.
I suspect in a couple of weeks everyone will be amazed. We will have more of everything we need except ventilators and health care personal.

The vaccine needs to be available in months (and it will). The military will need to take on half of the case loads with personnel and facilities (and they will).

People will be amazed what we overcome in the near future.

Note: I am not necessarily an optimist I am a realist. I am sort of amazed that the military has not been more deployed. I am guessing its in the works big time.
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Well one of my companies is already down 1/3 of normal and the other is heading that way quickly. Hopefully their plan works and works quick. Going to be hard to get caught back up with work after all this is over.
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The economy and (most) businesses will recover. Dead people won't, and hospitals aren't equipped to handle everyone getting sick.
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The thread poses an interesting question in that what is the economic value of a human life? If the human is someone we don't know, then we're apt to equate a very low value. It's easy in that instance to play the cost/benefit game. But what if that human is you? Would any of you sacrifice your life for the benefit of the US economy?
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The thread poses an interesting question in that what is the economic value of a human life? If the human is someone we don't know, then we're apt to equate a very low value. It's easy in that instance to play the cost/benefit game. But what if that human is you? Would any of you sacrifice your life for the benefit of the US economy?
I would die for the almighty dollar.

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I would die for the almighty dollar.

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That's most of America... lol

What a sad state of modern reality we live... there will be a ton of learnings from this namely how arrogant / ignorant our country is and how our economy is built like a house of cards.
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just in case anyone is confused...

Trump only raised this "dilemma" because recession is politically fatal for him.
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The thread poses an interesting question in that what is the economic value of a human life? If the human is someone we don't know, then we're apt to equate a very low value. It's easy in that instance to play the cost/benefit game. But what if that human is you? Would any of you sacrifice your life for the benefit of the US economy?
This has already been happening. It's called health insurance.
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Trump only raised this "dilemma" because recession is politically fatal for him.
Correct... the economy will make or break him... until about 2 weeks, I would have said his reelection is guaranteed... if the economy tanks; people will vote for anyone because he doesn't offer anything beyond that. The real problem is whether you are democrat or republican, the decisions made to salvage the economy should infuriate just about anyone.
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Trump only raised this "dilemma" because recession is politically fatal for him.
Not to mention the stark contrast between his conduct during press conferences vs that of say various state governors (ex, Cuomo, Kemp)
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Correct... the economy will make or break him... until about 2 weeks, I would have said his reelection is guaranteed... if the economy tanks; people will vote for anyone because he doesn't offer anything beyond that. The real problem is whether you are democrat or republican, the decisions made to salvage the economy should infuriate just about anyone.
Intelligent people will look at his overall performance and will discount the fact that he is a blowhard. Most people though are not smart enough to separate the man from his accomplishments.

And you have to be a fcking to think a man (Biden) with dementia can do a better job.

If the demented guy is elected his Chief of Staff may do a better job than trump. He will select a great team and get a number of people to prop up Biden to prevent him appearing like the bumbling fool he is.

So far there is no proof of that. His team is allowing to appear like a bumbling fool

So if you vote for Biden you are voting for an unknown "Chief of Staff"..might be good or might be bad.
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Correct... the economy will make or break him... until about 2 weeks, I would have said his reelection is guaranteed... if the economy tanks; people will vote for anyone because he doesn't offer anything beyond that. The real problem is whether you are democrat or republican, the decisions made to salvage the economy should infuriate just about anyone.
Intelligent people will look at his overall performance and will discount the fact that he is a blowhard. Most people though are not smart enough to separate the man from his accomplishments.

And you have to be a fcking to think a man (Biden) with dementia can do a better job.

If the demented guy is elected his Chief of Staff may do a better job than trump. He will select a great team and get a number of people to prop up Biden to prevent him appearing like the bumbling fool he is.

So far there is no proof of that. His team is allowing to appear like a bumbling fool

So if you vote for Biden you are voting for an unknown "Chief of Staff"..might be good or might be bad.
Biden is older than Yoda... he should be put into an ALF and forced retirement... what I think could happen is more people coming and voting for someone like Crazy Bernie on the indy side... especially if they dislike the current response and handling of the economy. It kind of makes their stance stronger and stronger.
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As expected it turns back to Trump and the election, which is the number one goal of all politicians, keep their job. Before taking the advice of any politician figure out what is best for them as it plays into what they tell us.
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This was always coming eventually. The fact that we and our system are ill prepared is nobodies fault but our own. The fact that we don't have better systems in place for something like this is nobodies fault but ours.

We suck it up and deal with it. We save our money better. We don't over extend ourselves financially - we take better maintenance of our physical, mental, emotional, spiritual selves. We prioritize our lives better and we learn SOMETHING from this and change for the better.

What other options are there?
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