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View Poll Results: Should the US force critical supplies sold in America, fully made in America!
Yes, We can not depend on China for our supplies and security 22 68.75%
No, that's protectionism 10 31.25%
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      03-25-2020, 09:18 PM   #1
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Should the US force critical supplies sold in America, fully made in America?

Most of these products are designed here by American companies that use China for their cheap labor.

Your thoughts?

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Force? Wouldn’t that be a rather large paradigm shift and go against what the US is all about, aka freedom?

This is something communist countries do like China.
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China stopped exports to the West on a lot of critical supplies!

Isnt it foolish to depend on such a country for critical supplies?

It's as dumb as if the US depended on Iran for our critical supplies!
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Unless something changes, China will own us soon.
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Unless something changes, China will own us soon.
I agree

But it's protectionism! (Sarcasm)

The Dems are ruining this country.
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Another anglo poll

I don't think its protectionism, but it seems rather un-free market.
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China stopped exports to the West on a lot of critical supplies!

Isnt it foolish to depend on such a country for critical supplies?

It's as dumb as if the US depended on Iran for our critical supplies!
It is, but as usual you are talking about two different topics. And don't have sufficient/incomplete poll selections.

I don't think you are going to get a lot of support from Republicans (if they understand Republicanism at all etc) to go along with something like this. Government forcing a private company to do xyz sounds more like the wing of AOC like Dem members thing to do. Even in the Democratic party, you wouldn't find a lot of support for it.

Now if they take a government bailout with certain conditions/public money I can see this happening. Or of course under the often discussed lately Defense Production Act.

Otherwise no, it goes against capitalism/free markets and basic freedoms on how a company can run under current laws.
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Also, what is defined as a "critical supply?"
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I voted yes, but pushing back on "force". The Gov't should create a business environment that entices business to manufacture in the USA.
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Force? No

Use Incentives? Yes

I run a side business fixing cars and power equipment, and have for the last 15 years or so. Buying higher quality parts even if more expensive, has always worked out better for myself and the customers.
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It is, but as usual you are talking about two different topics. And don't have sufficient/incomplete poll selections.

I don't think you are going to get a lot of support from Republicans (if they understand Republicanism at all etc) to go along with something like this. Government forcing a private company to do xyz sounds more like the wing of AOC like Dem members thing to do. Even in the Democratic party, you wouldn't find a lot of support for it.

Now if they take a government bailout with certain conditions/public money I can see this happening. Or of course under the often discussed lately Defense Production Act.

Otherwise no, it goes against capitalism/free markets and basic freedoms on how a company can run under current laws.
The government forces private businesses to do xyz every day. Sanctions on Cuba, Russia, Iran to name just a few are examples of where US companies are limited or banned outright from conducting business. Removing production of critical supplies from China is a matter of national security which trumps free trade every time. China can still produce plastic dog bowls and thigh masters, but any critical manufacturing like medical supplies or antibiotics should be moved back or worst case moved to friendlier nations like India.
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Not force but incentivise, just slap a massive tariff on those items and slam american public companies with a massive stock tax for having more then 50% of manufacturing and operation outside the country
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The one that gets me was last decade and "cash for clunkers." American government money spent to gather up old American-made cars, sent to Japan and Korea where they built the replacement cars.

One would think that this whole debacle would be a learning experience, but politicians and businesspeople are apparently dense.....
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forcing companies to do anything is a big no no. if this pandemic has shown us anything, its that all the gov regulations and inefficiencies hurt us in the end.

incentivising companies to produce here helps, but at the end of the day, the per unit production costs here are going to be higher than the per unit cost over seas. This leads to a higher cost to consumer, and most consumers arent going to pay more for a USA made product unless there is a significant supply shortage, like there is now.
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The government shouldn't FORCE private enterprise to do anything. Why the hell would you possibly think that is a good idea?

No words.
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The government forces private businesses to do xyz every day. Sanctions on Cuba, Russia, Iran to name just a few are examples of where US companies are limited or banned outright from conducting business. Removing production of critical supplies from China is a matter of national security which trumps free trade every time. China can still produce plastic dog bowls and thigh masters, but any critical manufacturing like medical supplies or antibiotics should be moved back or worst case moved to friendlier nations like India.
Again you are conflating topics etc. Saying you can't do business with a country because of whatever reason is quite a bit different from saying you are going to make xyz and make it here etc. If the government can dictate to a business what and where they are going to make things they are essentially state run entities then for all intents and purposes.

Aren't you a small government/stay out of my business kind of a guy?

I'm not saying having critical products made here is a bad idea as it isn't. But, the way you are guys are saying to do it is socialism and I thought that was really really bad.
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The government shouldn't FORCE private enterprise to do anything. Why the hell would you possibly think that is a good idea?

No words.
I'm quite honestly stunned at some of the responses here.
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forcing companies to do anything is a big no no. if this pandemic has shown us anything, its that all the gov regulations and inefficiencies hurt us in the end.

incentivising companies to produce here helps, but at the end of the day, the per unit production costs here are going to be higher than the per unit cost over seas. This leads to a higher cost to consumer, and most consumers arent going to pay more for a USA made product unless there is a significant supply shortage, like there is now.
^This, the US consumer if anyone forced a lot of production to go overseas.
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The government shouldn't FORCE private enterprise to do anything. Why the hell would you possibly think that is a good idea?

No words.
I agree with Private
But fuck the public enterprise they are as cancerous as the government itself which is also a public entity.
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The government shouldn't FORCE private enterprise to do anything. Why the hell would you possibly think that is a good idea?

No words.
Isnít forcing companies to do what the government requires pretty much the definition of fascism?

Terrible idea.

I think there are two issues made apparent by this virus. One is the lack of supply chain diversity (across geographies). The other is the lack of inventories of critical items, especially PPE, in health care (in this instance). Both can be addressed much more easily than forcing anything by government.
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Being in health care supply chain, I would say it would be a terrible idea. The whole game right now is production capacity. We don't have enough capacity globally, let alone regionally, to keep up with demand right now. The entire supply chain has been flipped on it's head and limiting production and supply to one region would be catastrophic to those in need.
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Gotta love it how some members here are arguing it's fascism if you force US companies not to have critical supplies, medicines produced by countries like Iran, China, Cuba, Venezuela...
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Gotta love it how some members here are arguing it's fascism if you force US companies not to have critical supplies, medicines produced by countries like Iran, China, Cuba, Venezuela...
the government forcing private entities to do anything is fascism...

jesus christ dude, you are giving republicans a bad name
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