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Manuals are actually becoming quite rare. I am the only one I know with the current M3/M4 that has a 6MT. In fact many club people have asked me why I got my M4 with a 6MT.
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08-25-2019, 04:38 PM | #91 |
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This is a Z4 thread. Why has this evolve into a manual vs automatic dog fight?
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Unfortunately, the trolls have decided to do that because BMW does not offer a manual in the Z4.
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Because the title of the thread said "better driver's car than M2" on the front page, yet only the M2 is available with a manual, which is a major deciding factor for many in a "driver's car."
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Not without a manual. My last car was a Cayman, and I've been missing a small two-seater, but no manual took the Z4/Supra off the list.
I'm done mentioning it here. Just had to respond to being called a troll, simply because I mentioned one of the biggest complaints about this car. It's a real complaint from a lot of potential buyers. Last edited by duder13; 08-25-2019 at 07:42 PM.. |
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Anybody is free to voice his / her opinion.
I had a blast today driving 3 hrs in my Z4 M40i with ZF 8 and I could care less whatever "Enthusiast" has to say about this car - mostly even without ever driving one! Enjoy your manuals ... while you can...
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Ive driven the f90 m5 a few times and it bored the hell out of me. My coworker has a civic SI and I genuinely would take the civic si or a brz over the f90 m5. I don't particularly care how fast the car is, I care about driver involvement and the m5 hasn't offered that since the e60 was retired. In the current BMW lineup, I really like the m2c and m850i. I haven't tried the z4 yet, but I'd love to give it a shot. It looks great in person. |
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Probably the thing I like most about the M2 is the ease to bring it back in line with very little effort.
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Whatever...I'm a driver and I like to drive cars with paddle shifters. Allows me to get more out of the car than a manual. It's okay if you like to shift gears, doesn't mean manuals are drivers cars.
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^ Complete nonsense - I don't see that at all.
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I've had two ZF8's; one in my V8 Jaguar F type and now the Z4 M40i - I love 'em both and I have had dozens of manual transmission vehicles (still have three). Negative comments about the ZF are almost 100% from those that are simply mad about the lack of a manual. The ZF has been almost universally lauded by testers and journalists and is a great transmission. I drove several Porsche PDK's and found the ZF to be almost identical in performance but without the low speed "clunkiness" I found in the PDK. A good read: https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...f-eight-speed/
As far as the rest; yes the BMW faithful is mad that the Z4 has been compared favorably to the M2 - even by BMW. I find it humorous that a four seat sedan is considered by some to be a better sports car than a 2 seat roadster.... weird. Dave |
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Not a driver's car, I guess;
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But, but the Civic has 3 pedulhs!!!
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