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      08-01-2018, 04:02 PM   #45
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You mean these?

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...orsche-cayman/

U.S. Cayman sales figures YTD June (the only report I can find)
2017 (YTD June): 1,153
2018 (YTD June): 1,806

Year to year % increase: 56.63%

Looks to me like Cayman sales since Gen 2 has averaged out to be a very consistent ~3,500 units per year.

For comparison purposes, this is what BMW Z3/Z4 sales look like:

Z3: 113,712 (averages out to ~16,000 per year)

E85/6 Z4: ~77,xxx (~11,000 per year)

E89 Z4: ~22,xxx (~3,000 per year)


Yes those sales, it is tough to make a business case for 3,500 units a year in a market as big at the USA. I would love to see more choices, we all would but when they are being forced to develop electric powered and autonomous cars to cater to the government mandates we aren't going to see low volume low profit cars.
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Folks, M doesn't mean shit anymore anyhow. The M40i is going to obliterate any previous gen Z car with its performance, so if you care about driving more than how the stupid M logo looks on your car, quit your bitching about the name and accept the car for what it is going to be. I mean c'mon. It's not like a full on "M" today with modern EPS rack and magical suspension systems would drive anything like the old cars anyhow. If they released the M40i as a full fledged M and didn't tell anyone, no one would know the difference in today's day and age of car tech.

I have to say I agree with the guy. The M40i will be as quick and sound as good as any roadster really needs to in order to justify the niche. If you need more speed to chase lap times, wtf are you in a roadster again? Go buy a coupe like M2 or M3/M4, which is much more universally allowed on track with its roof structure and all.
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Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.
A coupe Z4 with an S55...sounds compelling. Cayman wouldn't stand a chance.
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Folks, M doesn't mean shit anymore anyhow. The M40i is going to obliterate any previous gen Z car with its performance, so if you care about driving more than how the stupid M logo looks on your car, quit your bitching about the name and accept the car for what it is going to be. I mean c'mon. It's not like a full on "M" today with modern EPS rack and magical suspension systems would drive anything like the old cars anyhow. If they released the M40i as a full fledged M and didn't tell anyone, no one would know the difference in today's day and age of car tech.

I have to say I agree with the guy. The M40i will be as quick and sound as good as any roadster really needs to in order to justify the niche. If you need more speed to chase lap times, wtf are you in a roadster again? Go buy a coupe like M2 or M3/M4, which is much more universally allowed on track with its roof structure and all.

BMW use to have the 'know how' to build a proper sports car.

The M Coupe was a car that really took the fight to Porshe.

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Don't Expect an M Version of the New BMW Z4

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...9-bmw-z4-no-m/

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We'd guess that there won't be a manual either. It's no big deal.

After a long wait, BMW debuted the new 2019 Z4 last month, showing off the roadster in M40i form. The M40i isn't a full on M car, but rather, an "M Performance" model like the M240i, which sits a rung under the M2. Unfortunately, there won't be a hotter Z4 than the M40i.

Last week at the premiere of the wild Vision iNext electric SUV concept, we got a chance to talk with BMW R&D head Klaus Fröhlich, sneaking in a few questions about the Z4. He explained why a Z4 M isn't at the cards right now.

"At the moment this segment is very small, and I had to fight hard to make the [new Z4] happen at all, honestly," Frohlich said. "It was against the finance controllers.

"But you should drive it. It is sensational," he assured us.

Based on early impressions of Z4 prototypes from those lucky to get a chance behind the wheel, it seems like Fröhlich isn't lying. And with our colleagues at Car and Driverreporting that the Z4 M40i should make around 380 horsepower in the US, we might not need a full-on M version.

And, of course, we asked if the Z4 would get a manual transmission. Fröhlich implied he'd be open to the possibility if there was demand, but that seems unlikely. The sports-car market it small, so BMW probably doesn't want to invest in giving the Z4 a manual, when it likely wouldn't sell many. For comparison, Porsche sells a fair number of manual sports cars—especially in the US—but a Jaguar spokesperson told me last year that the take rate for three-pedal F-Types was just three percent. So, expect ZF eight-speed autos all the way for BMW's roadster.

Some might be disappointed by all this news, but there's no need, since BMW M already offers a small car with a manual transmission—it's called the M2.
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