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      10-10-2019, 08:38 PM   #67
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For the 4 series anyway...

In addition to being an ugly trapezoidal version of the classic kidney grille...my problem with this is that huge grilles have been done by other makes for years now. Instead of leading, they are behind. Why bother then?
Looks like Siamese sphincters.
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I'll vote against their poor designs with my future purchasing decisions. After buying three $100K+ BMW's in the last few years, I'll be moving on until they create a body I'm not embarrassed to walk up to in a parking lot. It's sad, because I think the value proposition is otherwise good, with great performance, options and decent quality.
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BMW design has always been ahead of its time. People complain initially because the design is unfamiliar. But years down the road, the design becomes mainstream because everyone starts copying BMW. That's why the e60 still looks great today, more so than when it first came out.
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      10-10-2019, 08:43 PM   #71
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I love the new design, the new renders of the M4. I just wish the rear was wider. Wider tires, I hope to get some 325 on there.

And a mesh grill. Remember if you don't like it, no one is forcing to buy. There are many other brands out there. But only one BMW M Competition G82 with a big ass badass grill.
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I'm all for taking chances with design but you look like a cheese dik in this thing trying to overcompensate for something with that grill. That's just plain embarrassing. It's a shame too because I think the rest of the concept is outstanding.

Couldn't agree more with this guy
his opinion. he can get a lexus
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      10-10-2019, 08:46 PM   #73
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I thought cars suppose to have bumpers in the front.
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      10-10-2019, 08:49 PM   #74
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Nice try at turning this into "changing to stay ahead of the competition". How about addressing his lack of creating a beautiful and different design rather than what we have which is different and ugly design?
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the more i see it the more i like it. i am a bmw fan and even if the grille were twice as big i would buy it.
You need an eye exam, pronto.
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I love the new design, the new renders of the M4. I just wish the rear was wider. Wider tires, I hope to get some 325 on there.

And a mesh grill. Remember if you don't like it, no one is forcing to buy. There are many other brands out there. But only one BMW M Competition G82 with a big ass badass grill.
Totally agree, therefore I will not be in the market. Maybe an M2 or the current F82, if I stay
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Who actually LIKES these huge grills? I've heard that it's primarily to the Chinese market who love the things.

Audi / Lexus have been doing this for a while and I always thought it looked hideous. I do hope that it doesn't spread to the entire line of cars.
China is a huge market and growing bigger.....they love the BIG grills!!!
One of the most common complaints I heard in China for pre lci 7 series is that a lot of people thought the front face, not necessarily the grills, was too flat and low like an enlarged 3 series and it didn't have the look of a flagship sedan. I own a 740 in Beijing since 2017 and there was about 16% incentive at that time comparing with 0% for S class LCI. BMW even released 730 with B48N20 to dominate more market share but it still failed to compete with S class. For the recent 7 series LCI, the radical grills is also controversial in China according to the comments I heard and it is still outsold by S class. However, X7, with similar grill size, sells extremely well and there is even an extra 10,000 USD equivalent market adjusted pricing from most dealers in my city.

I would partially agree with the statements like "Chinese prefer large grill", but we still pay attention to factors other than the grills. Nevertheless, I think Chinese market response to the new 4 series, M3 and M4 (at least in terms of the appearances) should be identical to other markets because these models usually target hardcore customers, and these customers should have similar general exterior preferences regardless of their residencies and cannot be discussed with potential customers for X7, X5, or 5 series EWB from China
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Who actually LIKES these huge grills? I've heard that it's primarily to the Chinese market who love the things.

Audi / Lexus have been doing this for a while and I always thought it looked hideous. I do hope that it doesn't spread to the entire line of cars.
Well, as a Chinese, me and most my frineds thought that grill is pretty hideous so...

On the other hand, the LCI 7 LWB sells well here, afraid of the future...
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Nice try at turning this into "changing to stay ahead of the competition". How about addressing his lack of creating a beautiful and different design rather than what we have which is different and ugly design?
Those are all subjective statements. We all find different things beautiful or ugly......tasty or nasty.....etc. There are no definitive answers when it comes to subjective things.
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Nice try at turning this into "changing to stay ahead of the competition". How about addressing his lack of creating a beautiful and different design rather than what we have which is different and ugly design?
exactly ... a functional sleek design because folks interested in coupes are not interested in Ram truck sized grill in the nose

I give Tesla credit for the design even if it is a bit boring they have one of the lowest cd
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Nice try at turning this into "changing to stay ahead of the competition". How about addressing his lack of creating a beautiful and different design rather than what we have which is different and ugly design?
Those are all subjective statements. We all find different things beautiful or ugly......tasty or nasty.....etc. There are no definitive answers when it comes to subjective things.
Beauty or lack thereof is always subjective. If I would have said the Pontiac Aztec is ugly you could also say that is subjective. Pretty sure most people subjectively believe it is still ugly.

How many people as a percent on these forums thought the F80 was gross when it was first revealed? I don't mean whether they liked it less than the E90/E92. I mean seriously found it gross. Sure people could argue V8 vs I6 TT, bigger vs somewhat smaller, etc, but ultimately the previous gens and the new F80 are all beautiful cars. This thing is not just different, it is not appealing. My opinion but looks like I am not in a minority. But I also remain hopeful that the real deal will be tweaked enough to give the car a more cohesive design.
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I don't believe Adrian van Hooydonk is a real name. It must be an alias. I think he plans on going into hiding and doesn't want anybody to find him.
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It's garbage. He should be embarrassed and I look forward to him being "asked to move on" when this design tanks the line.
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He wants to do this for all cars??

He should look at Infiniti in the US, sales dropping 40%++ yoy.

That'll be BMW buddy if you don't listen to your core customer (the soccer mom's won't care anyhow in their oversize X7).
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That never happened with the Bangle stuff and I am pretty darn sure it won't be happening here.
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Adrian van Hooydonk is probably used to controversy. Remember the E65 7-Series with the flame surfacing and "Bangle Butt"? van Hooydonk was the lead designer for that vehicle.

People really hated that design when it first came out, but I think it has aged decently well. I suspect we will see something similar with the new grills.
E65 was the best selling 7 Series of all time.
that end of the market will buy any ugly looking junk as long as it is expensive and is a brand name.
A cars design if good shouldn't have to be defended.
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Meh... ugly car can sell well. Just look at Teslas. We have a giant Asprin, Platypus, Aztek with gullwings. They are doing just fine.
They look better than the average car in those markets.
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I highly doubt this will sell as well as the f32. This is straight up ugly. This isn't like "ohh well we'll get used to it in time." No this is f***ing ugly
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