[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

He was 4 months out . Several surgeries were required....

A bicycle accident I presume, how did he manage that?

[E92inNC]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

The only driver aggressively challenging everyone on the grid is Mazespin, best blue flag fighter on the grid.

Lando (lap 10) and Stroll (lap 9) slowest lap of the race (excluding pit in and out laps) was the lap Hammy gained the position on them. All of a sudden both driver dropped a 1 second off their current pace, which they both regained the very next lap. Data doesn’t lie, nor does Yuki.

Rain was the great equalizer here, Lewis expected a runaway win with the massive acceleration advantage (150-300 km/h) and he may have already crafted a storyline and winning speech (to match Max’s Sochi). His frustration of driving a dominate car behind the mid pack resonated with each radio call and in some of his overtake moves on Checo.

Give a listen to the radio when hammy pitted, his breathing seems very labored. Difficult conditions for race day, but he sounded completed out of breath.

Here is Ocon’s front tire, not great.

I saw Ocon’s tires after he stopped and I still cannot believe they didn’t explode with the cornering forces they’re subjected to

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Debatable.

It was risk management vs going for it all. HAM wanted to go for it all and the pit wall intervened. It was the opposite of the previous race. Sometimes you nail it, sometimes you don't. All in all they scored more points in the WCC ($) and are only 6 points behind in the WDC. HAM came from 11th to finish 5th after some VERY tough battles in the midfield against everything RBR could throw against him in that race. He showed his quality.

Had the race started 30 minutes earlier or lasted 5 more laps, HAMs aggression would have paid off. As it sits he scored 10 WDC points and is only 6 points behind going to a track that should favor the low rake design of Mercedes and Aston Martin and the extra power of the PU should also help McLaren.

Let it unfold!

Cheers-mk

1-Your man made a childish beginners mistake .
2-After the race your man got a warning from Pirelli.
3-Today he covered his 5H1T with silly excuses.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by E92inPHX

I saw Ocon’s tires after he stopped and I still cannot believe they didn’t explode with the cornering forces they’re subjected to

Normal .
The 2021 Pirelli's are made by Mercedes .

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1-Your man made a childish beginners mistake .
2-After the race your man got a warning from Pirelli.
3-Today he covered his 5H1T with silly excuses.

I read his piece

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

A bicycle accident I presume, how did he manage that?

Was on Google for it . Didn't found anything ..

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1-Your man made a childish beginners mistake .
2-After the race your man got a warning from Pirelli.
3-Today he covered his 5H1T with silly excuses.

How many races has HAM won by extending his tire life until a weather event occurred or stopped? Wake up, Philippe...this is embarrassing.

Listen to some of Max's tirades then come back to me. Remember Monza a couple of years back when he ruined his tires because he was mad? Oh, and Monza this year when he came out of the pits in a red mist and crashed into HAM?

Lewis gets 10x the crap when he does 1/2 the transgressions of the other drivers. It's pathetic.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

How many races has HAM won by extending his tire life until a weather event occurred or stopped? Wake up, Philippe...this is embarrassing.

Listen to some of Max's tirades then come back to me. Remember Monza a couple of years back when he ruined his tires because he was mad? Oh, and Monza this year when he came out of the pits in a red mist and crashed into HAM?

Lewis gets 10x the crap when he does 1/2 the transgressions of the other drivers. It's pathetic.

Your man did a 'Norris flashback from Sochi ! A silly beginners mistake !

HAM said : I'll never finish the race with these tires man ..
Then 5 laps later they call him to pit with Box , box , box !
HAM : Why man ? Let me stay out !
Finally he went in to pit ..
HAM : I told you man ! While he first said : I'll never finish the race with these tires man !

What they didn't said was that HAM was losing 2 sec. in each lap , and Ocon was losing each lap 4-6 sec !
Both drivers , HAM and Ocon were a danger with their 'nibbled tires , and a danger for the other drivers !

As you know a plum can be sweet but also sour ..
Ham's plum was very sour !

A 'Norris flashback from Sochi !

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Your man did a 'Norris flashback from Sochi ! A silly beginners mistake !

HAM said : I'll never finish the race with these tires man ..
Then 5 laps later they call him to pit with Box , box , box !
HAM : Why man ? Let me stay out !
Finally he went in to pit ..
HAM : I told you man ! While he first said : I'll never finish the race with these tires man !

What they didn't said was that HAM was losing 2 sec. in each lap , and Ocon was losing each lap 4-6 sec !
Both drivers , HAM and Ocon were a danger with their 'nibbled tires , and a danger for the other drivers !

As you know a plum can be sweet but also sour ..
Ham's plum was very sour !

A 'Norris flashback from Sochi !

He wasn't losing THAT much time. Look at the lap chart I put up earlier.

[M5Rick]

According to Allard and Kees, Ham was whining.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96212...plink=onderaan

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

According to Allard and Kees, Ham was whining.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96212...plink=onderaan

Some reactions (comments)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Some reactions (comments)

Ham has the team and a now mysteriously faster car at his disposal yet his strange outbursts seem out of place. The queer noises from the 'boosted' PU will also play on his mind as well as a calm Max to contend with.

[M5Rick]

No internal modifications allowed? How come it's faster then FIA.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96236...henomenal.html

[M5Rick]

Latest news on the Merc unusual turn of speed points to a change to the intercooler and if it's allowed will be a worry for all the other teams at Austin.

https://grandpx.news/other-teams-als...ication-clicks

[richBracing]

[Fliplegend]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

A bicycle accident I presume, how did he manage that?

Sharing the road with cagers. I believe Nicky Hayden got killed riding a bicycle.

How about Vettel giving himself an extra pit stop? lol.

And Lewis basically pulled a Lando by not listening when they wanted him to pit.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Latest news on the Merc unusual turn of speed points to a change to the intercooler and if it's allowed will be a worry for all the other teams at Austin.

https://grandpx.news/other-teams-als...ication-clicks

Intercooler improvement reduces the pressure drop, so it may be possible for Merc to reduce the stress the turbos (PSI required to compensate for pressure drop), drop turbo outlet temperatures, and keep performance targets.

Simpleton example (constant efficiency)
Strat+ Before upgrade
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Outlet temps 100x

After upgrade (with upgraded intercooler)
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 22 psi to achieve this due to reduction in pressure drop from upgraded intercooler. Merc enjoys a significant reduction in temps, basically the same performance with a PU that is effectively turned down. Outlet temps 80x (100x-20)

Strat++ (with intercooler upgrade)
Merc targets 22psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Turbos basically running in the same mode as the original Strat+ (Pre-upgrade) with a significant performance jump. This will allow Merc to run high downforce packages and still enjoy better performance. Outlet temps 100x

Given the Bottas Monza PU failure, likely testing and tweaking the PU with new intercooler. It makes sense for Hammy to run the slightly detuned version of Bottas PU knowing Bottas will swap positions. Bottas running the rabbit mode.

It’s going to be interesting.

Merc’s decrease in temps and high downforce package will give RBR trouble at Mexico and Brazil.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Intercooler improvement reduces the pressure drop, so it may be possible for Merc to reduce the stress the turbos (PSI required to compensate for pressure drop), drop turbo outlet temperatures, and keep performance targets.

Simpleton example (constant efficiency)
Strat+ Before upgrade
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Outlet temps 100x

After upgrade (with upgraded intercooler)
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 22 psi to achieve this due to reduction in pressure drop from upgraded intercooler. Merc enjoys a significant reduction in temps, basically the same performance with a PU that is effectively turned down. Outlet temps 80x (100x-20)

Strat++ (with intercooler upgrade)
Merc targets 22psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Turbos basically running in the same mode as the original Strat+ (Pre-upgrade) with a significant performance jump. This will allow Merc to run high downforce packages and still enjoy better performance. Outlet temps 100x

Given the Bottas Monza PU failure, likely testing and tweaking the PU with new intercooler. It makes sense for Hammy to run the slightly detuned version of Bottas PU knowing Bottas will swap positions. Bottas running the rabbit mode.

It’s going to be interesting.

Merc’s decrease in temps and high downforce package will give RBR trouble at Mexico and Brazil.

Insightful post. Thanks.

Do we know that Bottas actually had PU issues after Monza though? Definitely an interesting take that they pushed it past its limit and used him as a test subject and now a rabbit. Merc doing what it takes to win. Its going to be a fun run to the end of the year!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Fliplegend

Sharing the road with cagers. I believe Nicky Hayden got killed riding a bicycle.

How about Vettel giving himself an extra pit stop? lol.

And Lewis basically pulled a Lando by not listening when they wanted him to pit.

It's not on google so I don't know for sure about Newey.
Vettel took a chance but it didn't pay off for him, probably thought it was worth the risk.
LH seemed confused and was even having a go at his box for telling him to come in wanting to stay out more even to the end on tyres in danger of failing.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Intercooler improvement reduces the pressure drop, so it may be possible for Merc to reduce the stress the turbos (PSI required to compensate for pressure drop), drop turbo outlet temperatures, and keep performance targets.

Simpleton example (constant efficiency)
Strat+ Before upgrade
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Outlet temps 100x

After upgrade (with upgraded intercooler)
Merc targets 20 psi, turbos must achieve 22 psi to achieve this due to reduction in pressure drop from upgraded intercooler. Merc enjoys a significant reduction in temps, basically the same performance with a PU that is effectively turned down. Outlet temps 80x (100x-20)

Strat++ (with intercooler upgrade)
Merc targets 22psi, turbos must achieve 25 psi to achieve this. Turbos basically running in the same mode as the original Strat+ (Pre-upgrade) with a significant performance jump. This will allow Merc to run high downforce packages and still enjoy better performance. Outlet temps 100x

Given the Bottas Monza PU failure, likely testing and tweaking the PU with new intercooler. It makes sense for Hammy to run the slightly detuned version of Bottas PU knowing Bottas will swap positions. Bottas running the rabbit mode.

It’s going to be interesting.

Merc’s decrease in temps and high downforce package will give RBR trouble at Mexico and Brazil.

You've explained it well there so we'll see in practice how it goes ,certainly Bottas sailing away at the front there seems a bad omen for everyone else but the strange noises recorded in the Merc PU will also hold some intrigue.
At least Newey is back from his whatever accident and RB should take measures to counter Mercs new found pace that showed in Bottas's car anyway.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You've explained it well there so we'll see in practice how it goes ,certainly Bottas sailing away at the front there seems a bad omen for everyone else but the strange noises recorded in the Merc PU will also hold some intrigue.
At least Newey is back from his whatever accident and RB should take measures to counter Mercs new found pace that showed in Bottas's car anyway.

Just to re-cap if it's just intercooler upgrade and strat adjust then shouldn't be rocket science to up the tempo for any PU.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Latest news on the Merc unusual turn of speed points to a change to the intercooler and if it's allowed will be a worry for all the other teams at Austin.

https://grandpx.news/other-teams-als...ication-clicks

Exactly my friend . That's what I was saying already from at Silverstone ..

Of course the FIA sleeps when it is about the Mercedes (cheating) performance !

Currenty the Mercedes W12 is faster without DRS than the other cars with DRS !
So ...This means that DRS now is useless for the other teams !
No wonder that MAX couldn't close the gap vs BOT ...

If this is approved by the FIA . Mercedes can't lose the WDC !!!

20 km/h faster on the straights ....That's mind blowing !