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That's gotta be a light cf roof. Both M Coupes and the Cayman are slightly heavier than their soft top brethren. 100 pounds seems like a stretch, 200 plus seems like an amazing achievement.
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2019 Bmw Z4 M40i Prototype Review: Bmw Breathes Life Into A Forgotten Droptop
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While this new 3rd generation Z4 will be much better than (2003-2008) generation, and leaps beyond the (2009-2017) generation, unfortunately, it will not match the 718 Boxster for the following reasons. 1. The Boxster has been refined for over 20 years. Its latest generation is so good that it really rivals the 911 in terms of driving enjoyment, thrill and excitement. I will even dare to say its ride handling is even better than the 911, no small feet of accomplishment. I have owned both the Z3, and both Z4s. You only need 5 minutes with Boxster 718 to understand that it is in a league of its own, and this brings me to the second and most important reason why this new Z4 will not match the mighty Boxster... 2. Physics, that's right. the FRONT ENGINE Z4 (nor any other front engine car for that matter) will NEVER match the mid engine balance, driving characteristics, driving dynamics and handling of a mid engine car, period. You can not go against physics. You can cram all the latest technology, features, and power but at the end you simply can not replicate the mid engine experience of the 718. Further, I suspect this car will start somewhere in the 50K range and with few options here and there you are not that far away from 718 territory, sorry BMW. |
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06-05-2018, 10:00 AM | #53 |
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I certainly think there's room for a Z4 and a Boxster to both have sales while being slightly different cars. The Z4 should be a little softer, but still plenty sporty. Better than the TT and SLC, but not quite Boxster levels of feedback or outright sportiness. Should be a relatively easy sell if they get it right.
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well it doesn't say what versions we are comparing. if the z4 m40i is 3300 lbs and the supra the B48 2.0 t version is 3100lbs, that would be 200 lbs and be believable |
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06-12-2018, 06:38 PM | #58 |
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Sounds like they will show the M40i in August, then the 4-cylinders.
Then the "possible" M Roadster should have its own presentation later next year, and it better be at Lake Como! Two people that drove the cars at Miramas have somewhat said the M Roadster is coming back. |
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06-12-2018, 07:21 PM | #59 |
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it's very amusing to see journalistic ebonics and street slang in attempt to add some street cred...
Review by Autoexpress (Steve Sutcliffe in short the new BMW Z4 goes hard Review by Car and Driver. The death of some cars has us in full mourning regalia and delivering teary eulogies, sometimes even pouring liquor onto a curb ... |
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I didn't even consider Z4 when I thought about getting a boxster recently. In my opinion, roadster is more of a porsche thing rather than a BMW thing. Boxster/cayman with its mid engine has been successful for too long and there is long way for Z4 to go in order to be equally competitive.
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06-12-2018, 11:32 PM | #62 |
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While I do understand the benefits of the soft top, I can't stand that tent in top of the car. Is really ugly and can't believe that 100 years later we have a similar black, ugly cloth on top.
I rather loose some agility and get the hard top. No, it will never be as quiet as hard top, nor that good looking, nor that safe, and not a good antitheft either; one nice knife will get you in. It will not keep the temperature properly, it will not be that tight either, and so on... Obviously is seasonal toy and stops there. A hard top will give the car a wider spectrum and a larger clientele. Not the least, the prototype was awesome. Unique. Even the two different colors for the seats to match the half/half cockpit got me really excited. From what I see, we are back in square one with one vertical wall in the back, a wind deflector and just some new seats. So much about the prototype... We can do it but we don't want to... Ok, keep it. next please... Last edited by Teutonic; 06-12-2018 at 11:38 PM.. |
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I believe many a BMW enthusiast are still pouring one out in mourning of high revving NA engines, especially I6s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmztCakVdvE |
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06-13-2018, 01:47 AM | #64 |
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If BMW really wanted a compelling direct competition with the Boxster, they would've pushed to do a rear, mid-engine Z4. The Z4 is a good substitute, but hardly a replacement for the Boxster
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