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      04-14-2020, 01:13 AM   #45
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M SUVs are awesome. Haters gonna hate. Keep em coming, BMW!
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      04-14-2020, 01:20 AM   #46
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SUVs are horrible. They look horrible and use more fuel due to their weight and rubbish aerodynamics.

The only proper reason for owning one, is if you need the ground clearance and 4WD for traction off road.

Here in the U.K. we call them Chelsea tractors.

Even worse, a lot of manufacturers sell cars that look like an SUV, that don't even have 4WD, so they are just bloated estate cars (station wagons). Some are so ugly, it makes you want to throw up.
That is your opinion. Sales numbers don’t support your hot take. BMW’s performance SUVs are absolutely wonderful new age, swiss army knife vehicles. BMW offers plenty other M vehicles that should satisfy old school enthusiasts like you.
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We have the most anticipated M2CS in such limited numbers
But we get SAV coming left and right. Lol
And no M halo car to compete with the 911, AMG GT, or R8. Even Lexus made a super car. But instead, we get an SUV the size of the grand canyon touting around an M badge :
So true.
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So true.
Nobody wants to see crazy BMW M sports cars. This is not what BMW M is about. BMW M is about crazy modded sedans and coupes like M3 and M4 and sleeper supercars like M5. And now they have added super-SUVs to their portfolio. An M car for every taste. Einmal BMW, immer BMW!
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We have the most anticipated M2CS in such limited numbers
But we get SAV coming left and right. Lol
I agree it's an absolute travesty.
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Oh for f***s sake... Is this new model(s) supposed to target the G-wagon crowd? Ugh...
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Oh for f***s sake... Is this new model(s) supposed to target the G-wagon crowd? Ugh...
Oh probably. Gangsta.
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SUVs are horrible. They look horrible and use more fuel due to their weight and rubbish aerodynamics.

The only proper reason for owning one, is if you need the ground clearance and 4WD for traction off road.

Here in the U.K. we call them Chelsea tractors.

Even worse, a lot of manufacturers sell cars that look like an SUV, that don't even have 4WD, so they are just bloated estate cars (station wagons). Some are so ugly, it makes you want to throw up.
That is your opinion. Sales numbers don't support your hot take. BMW's performance SUVs are absolutely wonderful new age, swiss army knife vehicles. BMW offers plenty other M vehicles that should satisfy old school enthusiasts like you.
Well, yes some of it is my opinion, some of it is fact.

E.g. weight and aerodynamics and worse fuel consumption. And being called Chelsea tractors. 🤪

And if I am "old school", I am proud of it.
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Hurry up with X9M already!!!
Well at least they can't have an X11. I had a Chevy X11 back in the 80's.
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Wait a minute...you guys are getting too subtle at this.....

Date of registry 1/4/2020 uhuh.
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BMW trademarks a lot of model names, this doesn't mean BMW is making an X8M now no?
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BMW have tapped into this by mirroring typical BMW dynamics and steering communication within the new UKL cars.
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Date of registry 1/4/2020 uhuh.
Funny. I never thought of that...
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Absolutely ridiculous! Imagine the size of those kidney grills!

I am not so familiar with Mercedes-Benz products but I presume the X8M is up against one of their products?
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Q8 looks pretty good so X8 can be good...
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I give BMW less than 3 years to start cutting models.

By then most of the car industry will be doing so.
By "cutting models" do you mean not releasing models they had intended to (such as the X8 M that is the topic of this thread)? Or do you mean they will remove models already in the lineup today?

On the latter point, at this particular time in the model cycles, the G14/G15 8 Series are the most likely candidates for an early exit. They are scheduled to end in 2024, but could potentially finish a couple years early. In any case, it is unlikely that either will have direct successors. The G16 8GC, on the other hand is likely to both go the full cycle and get a successor. The Z4 is another one that I could imagine not going the full seven years. And finally the G32 6GT, which has already been cut from the US lineup and which we know will not get a followup after it ends, could bow out earlier than its currently scheduled EOP in 2024.

Outside of those, I'd expect everything else to run the full "G generation" cycle including the not-yet-released G2x 4 Series and G4x 2 Series (and their M counterparts). Although it's true that the economy and the automotive market are in record level slumps right now, I suspect that things will stabilize enough soon enough to avoid drastic product portfolio trimming. That includes the X8 (and its M counterpart), the iNext, and the i4 all coming to market as planned. Having said all of that, I would not doubt that the oft-discussed "is-it-real-is-it-not?" M halo project might be in jeopardy, however.

Now, if we look further out to the next "G2 generation" - which starts with the G70 7 Series in 2022 and goes through 2035 to the very end of the distant future successor (or potential successor) to the upcoming G42 2 Series coupe - then yes, absolutely, there will be cuts. But, I would not expect those to be SAVs. I would instead expect some sort of rationalization of the sedan/Gran-Coupe overlap. Just how they go about balancing the preservation of long standing 3/5/7 nameplates while moving toward the coupe-like aesthetic that most of the industry now favors, but which is currently reserved for the contemporary 2/4/8 nameplates, remains an open question.
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Crazy they would want to make an X8M and not a Z4M.
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Absolutely ridiculous! Imagine the size of those kidney grills!

I am not so familiar with Mercedes-Benz products but I presume the X8M is up against one of their products?
It would be up against Audi RS Q8.
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Crazy they would want to make an X8M and not a Z4M.
I agree it is somewhat "crazy" that is how the market has evolved, but - and I'm sure you didn't mean it this way - its not crazy that BMW has responded to the shift and designed their product lineup to succeed in said market.

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It would be up against Audi RS Q8.
This is somewhat true, but it's also the case that Audi has no "Q6" in their portfolio whereas BMW has the X6.

In fact, I believe the addition of X8 and iX (iNext) will give BMW the most SUV-loaded lineup in the premium market, and perhaps even the entire industry.
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This is somewhat true, but it's also the case that Audi has no "Q6" in their portfolio whereas BMW has the X6.

In fact, I believe the addition of X8 and iX (iNext) will give BMW the most SUV-loaded lineup in the premium market, and perhaps even the entire industry.
Alternatively, BMW may take the Cullinan platform with the V12 N74 and offer a superluxury coupe-styled SUV as a sportier version of Cullinan. When you have so many platforms and engines in program, sky is the limit.
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