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      02-17-2017, 12:44 PM   #595
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Well... Rather than exploiting these workers with low wages, and taxpayers picking up the tab for their social services (estimated at $25.4B/yr - or $2300+ per CA family), maybe the farmers should hire citizens, and pay them more?

CA schools spend something like 57% of their budget educating the children of illegals, and the next-highest line item is incarceration and policing. Maybe tomatoes should cost more?

Most people would likely rather pay more for produce, and less in taxes.
I never understood the "exploiting these workers", farmer offers them a job and they take it, they are welcome to move along or go back home. Same with Nike paying $2 a day in Bangladesh.

I do agree that if we were really interested in stopping illegals it would make the most sense to go after the people that employ them. No jobs would stop the problem but we aren't willing to go after the business owner as he votes and is a good American that pays his taxes.

Also wonder about your numbers and where they come from. "CA schools spend something like 57% of their budget educating the children of illegals" so the other other 43% goes to education for non illegals, roads, police, jails, fire, state government, state medical care, etc? I am interested in seeing where this number came from.

Illegals do pay some taxes, mostly sales and property taxes (as a previous apartment owner I can tell you the tenants are paying the taxes indirectly) and having a legal, minimum wage job won't change the total much as people making minimum wage have minimal taxes taken out.
American employers pay them less than market wages; that's exploitation.

They over-utilize services in communities where they live; that's corporate welfare.

You're a slumlord? You should know this.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/c...-ignores-dams/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Also look at fairus.com studies
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American employers pay them less than market wages; that's exploitation.

They over-utilize services in communities where they live; that's corporate welfare.

You're a slumlord? You should know this.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/c...-ignores-dams/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Also look at fairus.com studies
Are they exploiting their illegal status to pay them less? Yeah.

Is it a bad thing? Meh, I don't really care. Perhaps these people whining should learn an actual skill. Don't feel sorry for unskilled/uneducated people who won't bother to make themselves more marketable even when nothing is stopping them.
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American employers pay them less than market wages; that's exploitation.

They over-utilize services in communities where they live; that's corporate welfare.

You're a slumlord? You should know this.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/c...-ignores-dams/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Also look at fairus.com studies
Are they exploiting their illegal status to pay them less? Yeah.

Is it a bad thing? Meh, I don't really care. Perhaps these people whining should learn an actual skill. Don't feel sorry for unskilled/uneducated people who won't bother to make themselves more marketable even when nothing is stopping them.
Who are "these whining people" - the citizens who won't take a $5/hr job?

The illegals, who are uneducated?

Either way, you're making an assumption that one or both are in their situation simply because they are lazy. And you are ignoring the inequity of the benefits system.
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American employers pay them less than market wages; that's exploitation.

They over-utilize services in communities where they live; that's corporate welfare.

You're a slumlord? You should know this.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/c...-ignores-dams/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Also look at fairus.com studies
I don't agree on the exploitation.

Not following the slumlord reference or what it has to do with the conversation.

Not following the corporate welfare reference either -
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corキpoキrate welキfare - government support or subsidy of private business, such as by tax incentives.
You're saying illegal immigrants are actually support of private companies by the government? You sure you don't mean government welfare?

Not following the point of the Snopes link, something specific in it?

With the "Independent Sentinel" link, seems amateurish at best. I personally wouldn't use them as a reference for anything.

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California runs like a socialist country of its own. they spend $25 billion a year on illegal aliens and ignore their infrastructure. Their priorities are foreigners above all.
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American employers pay them less than market wages; that's exploitation.

They over-utilize services in communities where they live; that's corporate welfare.

You're a slumlord? You should know this.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/c...-ignores-dams/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Also look at fairus.com studies
I don't agree on the exploitation.

Not following the slumlord reference or what it has to do with the conversation.

Not following the corporate welfare reference either -
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corテδづつキpoテδづつキrate welテδづつキfare - government support or subsidy of private business, such as by tax incentives.
You're saying illegal immigrants are actually support of private companies by the government? You sure you don't mean government welfare?

Not following the point of the Snopes link, something specific in it?

With the "Independent Sentinel" link, seems amateurish at best. I personally wouldn't use them as a reference for anything.

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California runs like a socialist country of its own. they spend $25 billion a year on illegal aliens and ignore their infrastructure. Their priorities are foreigners above all.
If an employer illegally hires children and pays them less than minimum wage - that's exploitation. Illegally hiring illegals and paying them less than you would pay a citizen (and not paying for benefits, workers comp, employment taxes, etc.) is similarly exploitative.

Corporate welfare is when the above employer doesn't pay benefits, so the illegals fall back in social services at the taxpayer's expense.

The Snopes link is a partial listing of where taxpayer money goes to support illegals - largely because employers aren't paying for it or providing it.

Apologies - I think I read your post wrong. Thought you said you owned apartments and rented to illegals; am now thinking you just meant how tenants pay taxes embedded in the rent.
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It's been very quiet about this. Is it up already?
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It's been very quiet about this. Is it up already?
Trump hasn't said anything extravagantly stupid for at least two days, so there's nothing to talk/argue/deny/claim/counterclaim/have a hissy fit over...

Unless of course he's unexpectedly learned not to stick his fingers in the metaphorical electrical outlet, and this is the new 'silent running' mode? We need Jack Ryan and the USS Dallas.....
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Trump hasn't said anything extravagantly stupid for at least two days, so there's nothing to talk/argue/deny/claim/counterclaim/have a hissy fit over...

Unless of course he's unexpectedly learned not to stick his fingers in the metaphorical electrical outlet, and this is the new 'silent running' mode? We need Jack Ryan and the USS Dallas.....
But it's so quiet! Even the swedes have calmed down.
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/2...s-dragnet.html

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Just built a Great Wall, similar to the one in China, and use it as tourist attraction. Boom problem solved.
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Just built a Great Wall, similar to the one in China, and use it as tourist attraction. Boom problem solved.
Or, make china pay for their currency manipulation by stealing their wall!
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But it's so quiet! Even the swedes have calmed down.
The swedes are too busy trying to extinguish all of the burning cars in their neighborhoods these days
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The swedes are too busy trying to extinguish all of the burning cars in their neighborhoods these days
How was Fox News this morning?
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It's been very quiet about this. Is it up already?
Clearly not, didn't you see all the victims of illegal immigrant crime that Trump paraded out last night.

Or maybe it's just a poorly built wall? Trump Organization probably outsourced most of it anyways
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The Wall...

Dude, Americans seriously need more education...
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Clearly not, didn't you see all the victims of illegal immigrant crime that Trump paraded out last night.

Or maybe it's just a poorly built wall? Trump Organization probably outsourced most of it anyways
Yeah, I saw that and the widow of the well planned raid causality. I didn't comment on those since I have pointed out the whole "don't go to me if you want to save" and the whole goats are cheaper than bullets thing.

They have lost people they love. It's not my place to take an advantage of their loss. Someone will do that, but I rather not touch it.

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One night after feeding my kids in WA, and after they went to bed, I said to my husband I had to leave the house. One of my project families had a 16 year old girl who was using meth, but their pi had located her. "you are insane, but try to be safe"

I had lost my dog a few months earlier, so going in to the house was not so well thought thing.

I'm pretty sure guys the drugs and addicts are there already! Why not trying the good ol social security so kids wouldn't have to sell those to others to stay alive...

I did locate the girl a few weeks after that, and her mom emails me every few months. It appears the child is okay, but she will be 18 soon so all bets are off again
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