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      08-13-2017, 01:34 AM   #14653
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Won't even condemn the Nazi's....how anyone can still support this guy is beyond me.
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Won't even condemn the Nazi's....how anyone can still support this guy is beyond me.
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Won't even condemn the Nazi's....how anyone can still support this guy is beyond me.
Well, it took a long time and a lot of pressure but he finally did it. It's like forcing a kid to eat his veggies. Why was it such an issue and why was it so difficult for him to do so?
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Well, it took a long time and a lot of pressure but he finally did it. It's like forcing a kid to eat his veggies. Why was it such an issue and why was it so difficult for him to do so?
Because.... RACIST!
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Well, it took a long time and a lot of pressure but he finally did it. It's like forcing a kid to eat his veggies. Why was it such an issue and why was it so difficult for him to do so?
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Won't even condemn the Nazi's....how anyone can still support this guy is beyond me.
Because all they are looking for is to piss off their opposition. This has nothing to do with governing. His base and supporters are still pissed about the fact that a black man held the presidency. Look at the constant "But Obama" things that get thrown around in here by the Bimmerpost Nazis. They just want liberul tears, they don't want a better country.
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It does seem that pissing off liberals has taken top priority doesn't it? Like Palin gleefully said...."their little heads are 'splodin". This country is really divided right now.
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It does seem that pissing off liberals has taken top priority doesn't it? Like Palin gleefully said...."their little heads are 'splodin". This country is really divided right now.
it's been like that for a while now in this country.

i can't tell you how many times i've heard "i don't care what happens as long as the liberals are pissed off"

but conservatives are used to voting/screwing themselves over for no other reason than to prove a point. so i dunno what to tell you.
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but conservatives are used to voting/screwing themselves over for no other reason than to prove a point. so i dunno what to tell you.
I think it's that conservatives vote for candidates that get into office and then flip/flop. i.e. The Repubs that voted no on the last version of "Obama care lite".

It appears that when "most" people run for a political office, they run on a viewpoint.......and then after getting into that position, Washington D.C. gets a strangle hold on them. Too much money being thrown around to keep the status quo.......that is getting re-elected.
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The guy tolerates racism. This is known. Steve Bannon is in his inner circle... Steve Bannon. The ONLY reason he ended up condemning white supremacy, neo-nazi, etc is because the groups calling for their condemnation is larger than the white supremacy group. It's a numbers game.

What's more shocking is the select few here that drop everything to defend his actions.
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Trump, as tactful as ever:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2631532

Trump just seems like a closeted racist at this point:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7894271.html
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The guy tolerates racism. This is known. Steve Bannon is in his inner circle... Steve Bannon. The ONLY reason he ended up condemning white supremacy, neo-nazi, etc is because the groups calling for their condemnation is larger than the white supremacy group. It's a numbers game.

What's more shocking is the select few here that drop everything to defend his actions.

Trump is racism. Trump was sued for housing discrimination against blacks and settled with the the government. He called for the death penalty for the innocent central park 5 black kids. The whole birther stuff because he couldn't believe a black dude was better than him. His dad attended KKK rallies so it doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Trump is racism. Trump was sued for housing discrimination against blacks and settled with the the government. He called for the death penalty for the innocent central park 5 black kids. The whole birther stuff because he couldn't believe a black dude was better than him. His dad attended KKK rallies so it doesn't fall far from the tree.
Are you referencing this article wrt Fred Trump?

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-father-kkk-1927/
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Trump, as tactful as ever:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2631532

Trump just seems like a closeted racist at this point:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7894271.html
Narrative cherry picking. How convenient.
Go ahead a post everything he's wanting, at least under this proposal, to slash. Copy/paste the entire list. We wouldn't want anyone to feel information slighted.
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And this isn't the first time he has hesitated to denounce white supremacy.

Remember when Trump lied about not knowing who David Duke was?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politi...-supremacists/

He claims he had a bad earpiece, yet was still able to basically answer the question by not answering it. Lies about not knowing who David Duke is, and this past week failed to address it directly until pressured.

Do we need a 3rd strike until we come to a logical conclusion? Maybe so.

I wonder, then, if it ever becomes crystal clear that an elected official is racist, if those who voted for him in the first place would not do so again. Makes me wonder if they don't see racism as a big enough issue to get in the way of a political goal. That is unacceptable, in my honest opinion. Racism should not be tolerated, even if ignoring it coincides with your political goals. Its a weakness of character, a lack of empathy, and a level of selfishness to support a racist in any way.

Those who claim they are not racist or bigots and preach equality, but chose to do nothing when confronted with people who spread racism, are just as complicit in the proliferation of racism and bigotry.
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Narrative cherry picking. How convenient.
Go ahead a post everything he's wanting, at least under this proposal, to slash. Copy/paste the entire list. We wouldn't want anyone to feel information slighted.
Astronomical debt doesn't just heal itself.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...DJJ/story.html
Cherry picking isn't necessary when Trump tweets it. It's there for everyone to see.

But you've changed the subject again haven't you. What say you of the tweet? It seems insensitive and even mocking. That's Trump: a bitter hateful bully, bigot and highly likely a racist.
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Are you referencing this article wrt Fred Trump?

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-father-kkk-1927/
Trump is such a horrible liar because he has contempt for everyone around him. His ego is THAT inflated:

"And by the way, my father was not involved, was never charged and I never even heard this before. "

Except earlier he said this:
"It never happened. And by the way, I saw that it was one little website that said it."

This is being caught in a lie. He never heard about it before, but he saw it on a website? Fucking unreal. This guy is a crook.
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The guy tolerates racism. This is known. Steve Bannon is in his inner circle... Steve Bannon. The ONLY reason he ended up condemning white supremacy, neo-nazi, etc is because the groups calling for their condemnation is larger than the white supremacy group. It's a numbers game.

What's more shocking is the select few here that drop everything to defend his actions.
For me, and I'm only speaking for myself i take pride for taking count for wide spectrum of views. I find a value in trying to find commonalities between different view holders, a political party is a party, we the people (on the globe in this one) either work together or vanish. I honestly think finding commonalities will in a long run make us all more willing to work together and that can push forward.

In my life i have had two moments i will never forget when it comes to races. I made friends with a refugee cleaning lady (from china, they left since the father of the family was a mining engineer and wanted to shut down a mine for safety and dying there was the other option) in my school when i was about nine, and my family invited them to dinner. All in all it was bad, since the father of the family spoke perfect English and some Swedish, my parents read five languages spoke some of those too , and my mother thinks shouting is articulating. THAT WASNT HORRIBLE AT ALLL!!!

My mom also told the cleaning lady, who spoke Finnish then, after being nine months in the country (a miracle, Finnish is impossible) that she could help her to get more cleaning shifts and the lady kindly informed my mom that she was almost through being licensed surgeon in Finland too, so no help needed.

Our neighbor gave us an evil eye, and i blinked. I turned away from him and my dad later on ripped me a new one. He told me that he saw me being ashamed for having foreigners in my home (finns, very white, black hair stands out and this happened just after the 91 crash here happened and it brought up a surge in racism) and he told me I'm a fucking idiot in most days, but if i ever dis my friends for their race, sexual preference, gender or color again, he would consider his parenting a complete failure.

Rough stuff for a nine year old, but a needed one. (we also went to dinner to their home, and by that time their son and i were friends so the parents didn't matter but i fucking swear, humiliation.)

The second one is more funny. I was out with my dog, he was digging for mice or moles on a field. I shouted to him that come on, let's go you fucking mud face. I swear, i was on a field in very white Finland. On a path.

I turned around, and two black men were behind me. I haven't blushed ever since. I was screaming about mud faces, and two big black guys were standing behind me, on a field.

I explained to them, that my stupid dog went out for a snack and will be muddy when he returns and that i didn't know two black men were behind me and that i understand how they saw my words and that I'm truly not calling their color mud, and that i know how color of a skin is a pigment thing and ...

Well, if you've ever dropped the ball, and you know you have zero chance of saving any part of your dignity since you know you're in deep shit you brought upon yourself: Maybe then you get it.

The most beautiful phrase in any language was said then by one of those guys: " sorry, do you speak English? We are here studying insects and pesticides from the Tampere University".

Of course i was so fucking red. And unable to even to walk away so i translated them the whole thing while dying of shame and i made sure they had my parents phone number so they could call them and tell them how horrible i am

For two years i met the guys on my usual dog walking paths after that, and they never let me forget how bad the 12 year old me was at translating things, they called me Tomato too (white chicks blush badly).

My point is, views of life is taught by experience, example and humiliation. Those two grad students taught me English and insects, my dad taught me not to shy away, and my experience is that no asian, no black person, no Aussie has ever talked shit to me about other races. White people do that often.

I don't want my kids measure a person by race, religion, sexuality or other feeble grounds. You measure a person for their words. You find a way to unite and you find a way to agree on something. Hating anyone is easy, spewing it out is too easy these days. Hate works both ways and serves no one.
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Cherry picking isn't necessary when Trump tweets it. It's there for everyone to see.

But you've changed the subject again haven't you. What say you of the tweet? It seems insensitive and even mocking. That's Trump: a bitter hateful bully, bigot and highly likely a racist.
No, you're changing the subject. I didn't reply to a tweet issue. I replied to important matters, such as our debt.
The conclusion of 'racist' because a program, one of many, is being cut, is cherry picking 101.
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Cherry picking isn't necessary when Trump tweets it. It's there for everyone to see.

But you've changed the subject again haven't you. What say you of the tweet? It seems insensitive and even mocking. That's Trump: a bitter hateful bully, bigot and highly likely a racist.
No, you're changing the subject. I didn't reply to a tweet issue. I replied to important matters, such as our debt.
The conclusion of 'racist' because a program, one of many, is being cut, is cherry picking 101.
In that case, trump has reaped what he sowed hasn't he? Cut funding and guess what, services go away. Thanks Trump.
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In that case, trump has reaped what he sowed hasn't he? Cut funding and guess what, services go away. Thanks Trump.
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You're a smart guy. Do you honestly think that those programs were/could be efficient and are actually needed at all? I didnt dig into each, but read that list. Spells waste and abuse on the surface.
You know what goes on over there...with both parties.

I applaud the initiative.
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