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      02-10-2017, 03:43 PM   #551
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The Secure Fence Act possibly?

But you're absolutely right it's not just a "wall" in the trump plan that's had a cost analysis done. It's two walls, fences and razor wire combined with a full length road, bridges, tunnels, and full infrastructure.
I meant from us, the 670 miles bush built for about 3.58 million per mile, and they were the easy miles, a bridge or a crossing probably is worth 10 miles each, plus now illegal labor can't be used, so labor costs will be higher.

I can't remember the specs anymore? How high was it to be? 20ft? It would give this whole conversation a more solid ground if we calculated how much a fence with those specs would cost.
An any estimates from "Us" would be massively incorrect.
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I'm not that opposed to a wall, if it were needed and would help solve the problem, but our ROI for $20+ billion isn't worthy of support. And it wouldn't be at $12 billion either......
To all those trying to justify the cost of the wall your the reason we have this

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-...vw-18804_1_nut

crap going on

The Spanish enclave wall cost half the trump wall estimate project and that was in euros and included watch towers, roads, sensors, and extra features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla_border_fence

Finally

http://www.fairus.org/publications/t...ates-taxpayers

So in just one year of removing the fraud and assistance given to illegals per year would cover the entire cost of the wall and we will have 90 billion left over.

So yes the ROI is completely worth it.
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I'm not that opposed to a wall, if it were needed and would help solve the problem, but our ROI for $20+ billion isn't worthy of support. And it wouldn't be at $12 billion either......
To all those trying to justify the cost of the wall your the reason we have this

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-...vw-18804_1_nut

crap going on

The Spanish enclave wall cost half the trump wall estimate project and that was in euros and included watch towers, roads, sensors, and extra features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla_border_fence

Finally

http://www.fairus.org/publications/t...ates-taxpayers

So in just one year of removing the fraud and assistance given to illegals per year would cover the entire cost of the wall and we will have 90 billion left over.

So yes the ROI is completely worth it.
Fairus.com, funded by pioneer fund.
Nice find........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund?wprov=sfsi1
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Fairus.com, funded by pioneer fund.
Nice find........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund?wprov=sfsi1
Dispute the data dont slander the messager
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To all those trying to justify the cost of the wall your the reason we have this

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-...vw-18804_1_nut

crap going on

The Spanish enclave wall cost half the trump wall estimate project and that was in euros and included watch towers, roads, sensors, and extra features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla_border_fence

Finally

http://www.fairus.org/publications/t...ates-taxpayers

So in just one year of removing the fraud and assistance given to illegals per year would cover the entire cost of the wall and we will have 90 billion left over.

So yes the ROI is completely worth it.
Regarding the costing for aircraft or military parts, yes that was a big thing back in the early 1980's ...30 odd years ago. It was a worldwide issue not just related to the US, since then a number of rules and regulations have come in for procurement programs for government projects.

However, it proves just how naive you are with major projects if you don't imagine everyone will charge top dollar, from the catering to the lawyers and the construction and brick companies.

I wonder how many legal challenges per mile of wall will be submitted.
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Was anyone else aware of this.....

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/il...rticle/2614103
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Regarding the costing for aircraft or military parts, yes that was a big thing back in the early 1980's ...30 odd years ago. It was a worldwide issue not just related to the US, since then a number of rules and regulations have come in for procurement programs for government projects.

However, it proves just how naive you are with major projects if you don't imagine everyone will charge top dollar, from the catering to the lawyers and the construction and brick companies.

I wonder how many legal challenges per mile of wall will be submitted.
It not niave

We accomplish it before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

Just our politican don't bid properly and hold contractors to account anymore due to cronyism
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Here more math

Hoover Dam project adjusted to today currency value divide by amount of concert pour = 160.55 per cubic yard (note this price is including everything labor, trans, and so on)
Now divide that by 2 since one cubic yard of concrete is 4000 which is roughly 2 tons = 80.27

Now Trump Wall will require 19 million tons of concrete so basic math and you get

1,525,225,000

So your saying the government needs 20x more cash to build a board wall then to build a dam that 726 feet high!?
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Here more math

Hoover Dam project adjusted to today currency value divide by amount of concert pour = 160.55 per cubic yard (note this price is including everything labor, trans, and so on)
Now divide that by 2 since one cubic yard of concrete is 4000 which is roughly 2 tons = 80.27

Now Trump Wall will require 19 million tons of concrete so basic math and you get

1,525,225,000

So your saying the government needs 20x more cash to build a board wall then to build a dam that 726 feet high!?
In order to use concrete as the material, one needs basically 1/10 of the m3's to be steel. Then you spend about a 25% of the budget to create, haul and to build up the frame you put the concrete in. And this all is after you dig up all soil with plant based materials from under it, lay down a foundation, lay down insulation of a sort to keep the elements away from the foundation, draining is needed, um for construction to stay pointing at the sky, it needs to be anchored to the sides, or to the ground which means the cost goes up with a wall since winds become an issue too...

Cement mixing can wait for a bit. Its the cheap part., those have to be resolved first. A garden fence is a bit different thing than what you're trying to pull off here. Even if you could build it for 20 billion, saving on the ground work will mean extremely high maintenance costs.
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In order to use concrete as the material, one needs basically 1/10 of the m3's to be steel. Then you spend about a 25% of the budget to create, haul and to build up the frame you put the concrete in. And this all is after you dig up all soil with plant based materials from under it, lay down a foundation, lay down insulation of a sort to keep the elements away from the foundation, draining is needed, um for construction to stay pointing at the sky, it needs to be anchored to the sides, or to the ground which means the cost goes up with a wall since winds become an issue too...

Cement mixing can wait for a bit. Its the cheap part., those have to be resolved first. A garden fence is a bit different thing than what you're trying to pull off here. Even if you could build it for 20 billion, saving on the ground work will mean extremely high maintenance costs.
The number used was including the steel rebar. The only number not included is transportation since the wall is a moving project while the hoover dam was a centralize location.
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The number used was including the steel rebar. The only number not included is transportation since the wall is a moving project while the hoover dam was a centralize location.
Yeah, that too. I'd rather be building the dam than this one. They do have the same elements but I wouldn't compare them much, and I wouldn't use the dam as a way to estimate the costs.
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Yeah, that too. I'd rather be building the dam than this one. They do have the same elements but I wouldn't compare them much, and I wouldn't use the dam as a way to estimate the costs.
I used a boarder fence earlier and the cost is still half.
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I used a boarder fence earlier and the cost is still half.
The 670 miles Bush jr built was for the easily access terrain, the parts going up now are far from that.
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The 670 miles Bush jr built was for the easily access terrain, the parts going up now are far from that.
My comparison was the spanishh enclave one

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The 670 miles Bush jr built was for the easily access terrain, the parts going up now are far from that.
How much would it cost to put up a cheap little link fence about 9 feet high with signs posted every 50 feet that said, Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted! Ok just kidding.....really!
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How much would it cost to put up a cheap little link fence about 9 feet high with signs posted every 50 feet that said, Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted! Ok just kidding.....really!
Hmm, cheaper, but a mega poster of Trump would work better!

It's cheaper to support democracy and education where people are now, than it is to try to keep those away who want a better life.

Ask Tonka, he with a few ass pics saved the lives of hundreds of people!

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Hmm, cheaper, but a mega poster of Trump would work better!

It's cheaper to support democracy and education where people are now, than it is to try to keep those away who want a better life.

Ask Tonka, he with a few ass pics saved the lives of hundreds of people!

The west can hardly support it own, blindly letting people in our nation who refuse to fix their is just asking for the destruction of high standard of living for 30% of the world population while worsening the lives of the other 70%
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The west can hardly support it own, blindly letting people in our nation who refuse to fix their is just asking for the destruction of high standard of living for 30% of the world population while worsening the lives of the other 70%
Exactly how much do you guys now spend on this?

A goat costs 50 bucks and changes the lives of a whole family, and in a few years does it for an other one too. It piles up. People who have food and shelter are less likely to attack you, or to support such a thing than those who are bitter and hungry.
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It not niave

We accomplish it before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

Just our politican don't bid properly and hold contractors to account anymore due to cronyism
The cost of the project is not just the materials.

Also it seems to used a fair amount of Chinese immigrant labour.

I can imagine with the business orientated cabintet there will be even more cronyism, all uniforms designed by his daughter.
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The cost of the project is not just the materials.

Also it seems to used a fair amount of Chinese immigrant labour.

I can imagine with the business orientated cabintet there will be even more cronyism, all uniforms designed by his daughter.
Hey the new policy is to give them hints on why this will be a bad idea, not telling them that! It's almost working but we have to hold ranks.

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Hmm, cheaper, but a mega poster of Trump would work better!

It's cheaper to support democracy and education where people are now, than it is to try to keep those away who want a better life.

Ask Tonka, he with a few ass pics saved the lives of hundreds of people!

The west can hardly support it own, blindly letting people in our nation who refuse to fix their is just asking for the destruction of high standard of living for 30% of the world population while worsening the lives of the other 70%
Again I will ask you, why did you come here?
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