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No more wagons? Guess I'm jumping ship to Volvo or Merc in 2018!
I'll probably do the same.
Can always get a V60 Polestar. Then the V90 is almost here and Volvo said it will definitely get the Polestar treatment. And then there's the E63 wagon, which, by all accounts, looks to be coming here too. Porsche is working on a wagon. And there's some speculation Audi might bring an S4 or RS4 Avant here.

Guess they'll eat BMW's lunch.
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      06-16-2016, 01:32 PM   #774
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No more wagons? Guess I'm jumping ship to Volvo or Merc in 2018!
I'll probably do the same.
Can always get a V60 Polestar. Then the V90 is almost here and Volvo said it will definitely get the Polestar treatment. And then there's the E63 wagon, which, by all accounts, looks to be coming here too. Porsche is working on a wagon. And there's some speculation Audi might bring an S4 or RS4 Avant here.

Guess they'll eat BMW's lunch.
I hope BMW will reevaluate their decision to not bring the wagon. I think there's a chance. I see more f31s than I ever saw e91s or e46 wagons...
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I just hope that Bmw Canada is clever enough to bring the G21 in Canada. Mercedes now have both the C-Class and E-Class wagon in Canada.
Nope. That's a North American thing, not just the States.
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      06-16-2016, 01:33 PM   #776
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I just hope that Bmw Canada is clever enough to bring the G21 in Canada. Mercedes now have both the C-Class and E-Class wagon in Canada.
If they do, we're almost guaranteed a wagon in the us since Canada spec = us spec.
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  • G14 convertible and G15 coupe 6 series. Yes, they will come. Moving on.
Does that mean that the change in the 6-series market strategy that Scott was talking about a month ago (shrinking and going after the 911 and SLS AMG) is meant for the generation after the G14 and G15?
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All we can hope for now is the government passing T-TIP. It provides for unified vehicle safety standards, which would make it easier to import EU vehicles.
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Does that mean that the change in the 6-series market strategy that Scott was talking about a month ago (shrinking and going after the 911 and SLS AMG) is meant for the generation after the G14 and G15?
Not necessarily. Specifics of model design is not something I can report on.
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F80 EOP is 2018??? So there are only 4 model years, that doesn't seem right.

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      06-16-2016, 01:43 PM   #781
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No more wagons? Guess I'm jumping ship to Volvo or Merc in 2018!
I'll probably do the same.
Can always get a V60 Polestar. Then the V90 is almost here and Volvo said it will definitely get the Polestar treatment. And then there's the E63 wagon, which, by all accounts, looks to be coming here too. Porsche is working on a wagon. And there's some speculation Audi might bring an S4 or RS4 Avant here.

Guess they'll eat BMW's lunch.
I hope BMW will reevaluate their decision to not bring the wagon. I think there's a chance. I see more f31s than I ever saw e91s or e46 wagons...
Same here. There were a handful in my previous neighborhood in Manhattan, and now there are like 3-4 here in Hoboken that I see on the regular. I'd love to stay with the brand, as I believe they make a great car, but without a wagon, I'm out.

Shame.

That said, maybe I'll have to buy out the F31 at lease end. It's been a peach.
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If it will look like this and with the taillights from the 328 hommage it will definitly have the best look in its class.
Shame it will be a convertible only. Dynamically it would be amazing as a coupe.
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If they do, we're almost guaranteed a wagon in the us since Canada spec = us spec.
Well in the past there was some difference between the 2 market. Usa never had the 323i E90 which we had from 2006 to 2011, the X1 came as a 2012 MY in Canada a year before usa, same goes for the 320i F30. Also I guess you never had the classic line F30 328xi? Mercedes has bring the C300D wagon to canadian market only.
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If they do, we're almost guaranteed a wagon in the us since Canada spec = us spec.
Well in the past there was some difference between the 2 market. Usa never had the 323i E90 which we had from 2006 to 2011, the X1 came as a 2012 MY in Canada a year before usa, same goes for the 320i F30. Also I guess you never had the classic line F30 328xi? Mercedes has bring the C300D wagon to canadian market only.
I actually knew about that history, but BMW wagons ACTUALLY sell IMO...I see plenty of them. I very rarely ever saw the C class wagon in the US...that one generation that was offered was a flop.
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If they do, we're almost guaranteed a wagon in the us since Canada spec = us spec.
Well in the past there was some difference between the 2 market. Usa never had the 323i E90 which we had from 2006 to 2011, the X1 came as a 2012 MY in Canada a year before usa, same goes for the 320i F30. Also I guess you never had the classic line F30 328xi? Mercedes has bring the C300D wagon to canadian market only.
I actually knew about that history, but BMW wagons ACTUALLY sell IMO...I see plenty of them. I very rarely ever saw the C class wagon in the US...that one generation that was offered was a flop.
BMW has the wherewithal to *make* wagons sell if they want to. They aren't a small startup shrugging their shoulders saying, "Gosh, we may not sell that many and then where will we be?" They simply choose not to sell them here because they won't sell a fcking ZILLION of them. Plain and simple.

They don't need to be all over the streets to make sense though. It's actually nice owning/driving a unicorn. I honestly don't want that many here. But BMW does. And if they can't envision one in every driveway, they won't sell it here.

Meanwhile, Volvo imports a handful of V60 Polestars and they sell out. Merc continues to sell a 600hp wagon even though it's one of the rarest cars on the road.

BMW *could* sell wagons here. We just have to convince them to do so.
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BMW has the wherewithal to *make* wagons sell if they want to. They aren't a small startup shrugging their shoulders saying, "Gosh, we may not sell that many and then where will we be?" They simply choose not to sell them here because they won't sell a fcking ZILLION of them. Plain and simple.

They don't need to be all over the streets to make sense though. It's actually nice owning/driving a unicorn. I honestly don't want that many here. But BMW does. And if they can't envision one in every driveway, they won't sell it here.

Meanwhile, Volvo imports a handful of V60 Polestars and they sell out. Merc continues to sell a 600hp wagon even though it's one of the rarest cars on the road.

BMW *could* sell wagons here. We just have to convince them to do so.
Gas in the US is cheap and those who could use a wagon opt for the SUV. its as simple as that. And since they are already made in the US, it makes more sense to BMW.
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June 2016 update:
  • G14 convertible and G15 coupe 6 series. Yes, they will come. Moving on.
Does that mean that the change in the 6-series market strategy that Scott was talking about a month ago (shrinking and going after the 911 and SLS AMG) is meant for the generation after the G14 and G15?
No. What it means is:

The 6er will continue with a 2+2 Convertible and a Fixed Roof Coupe (most likely only a 4dr Gran Coupe)

The Z5 Roadster and Z6 Coupe, along with their model derivatives, will be the new market position competitors.
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BMW has the wherewithal to *make* wagons sell if they want to. They aren't a small startup shrugging their shoulders saying, "Gosh, we may not sell that many and then where will we be?" They simply choose not to sell them here because they won't sell a fcking ZILLION of them. Plain and simple.

They don't need to be all over the streets to make sense though. It's actually nice owning/driving a unicorn. I honestly don't want that many here. But BMW does. And if they can't envision one in every driveway, they won't sell it here.

Meanwhile, Volvo imports a handful of V60 Polestars and they sell out. Merc continues to sell a 600hp wagon even though it's one of the rarest cars on the road.

BMW *could* sell wagons here. We just have to convince them to do so.
Instead we'll get a 4 series GC and the 3 series GT. Niche cars as well
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F80 EOP is 2018??? So there are only 4 model years, that doesn't seem right.

2015
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Normally there are 6 model years for the M3
This is for the sedan only. E90 M3 also had just 4 model years, 2008-2011
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BMW has the wherewithal to *make* wagons sell if they want to. They aren't a small startup shrugging their shoulders saying, "Gosh, we may not sell that many and then where will we be?" They simply choose not to sell them here because they won't sell a fcking ZILLION of them. Plain and simple.

They don't need to be all over the streets to make sense though. It's actually nice owning/driving a unicorn. I honestly don't want that many here. But BMW does. And if they can't envision one in every driveway, they won't sell it here.

Meanwhile, Volvo imports a handful of V60 Polestars and they sell out. Merc continues to sell a 600hp wagon even though it's one of the rarest cars on the road.

BMW *could* sell wagons here. We just have to convince them to do so.
Gas in the US is cheap and those who could use a wagon opt for the SUV. its as simple as that. And since they are already made in the US, it makes more sense to BMW.
That thinking is the essence of the problem. Explain why Merc and Volvo sell wagons here. How could they? They also make SUVs. In fact, Volvo makes the XC90, some of which have dealer markups into the 6 figures (that people are willing to pay). So? Any idea how they also sell wagons? Because they have a history of making them. And because they make wagons that are also fantastic cars. And people continue to buy wagons, although in small numbers. BMW has a more limited history with wagons, but they can surely make a great one. And people buy them. That they won't bring them here is a matter of unwillingness, not inability.

Remember, this is the company that told US buyers they needed a 5GT, a car approximately 0 people asked for. And yet there's a new generation coming.

We all get how well SUVs sell here, but that has nothing to do with the price of tea.
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That thinking is the essence of the problem. Explain why Merc and Volvo sell wagons here. How could they? They also make SUVs. In fact, Volvo makes the XC90, some of which have dealer markups into the 6 figures (that people are willing to pay). So? Any idea how they also sell wagons? Because they have a history of making them. And because they make wagons that are also fantastic cars. And people continue to buy wagons, although in small numbers. BMW has a more limited history with wagons, but they can surely make a great one. And people buy them. That they won't bring them here is a matter of unwillingness, not inability.

Remember, this is the company that told US buyers they needed a 5GT, a car approximately 0 people asked for. And yet there's a new generation coming.

We all get how well SUVs sell here, but that has nothing to do with the price of tea.
The X3 is built in Usa versus the F31 in Munich. My guess is that they want more suv on the road as the don't have to pay import duties, expensive shipping and long delay for order. Money talk as usual.
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