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Here are the scans. Surprisingly, they claim the S4 has superior steering and handling when compared to the 335i.

UK Pricing is confirmed at £34,985 (£36,435 with S-Tronic). That is the same price as it's main competitor, the BMW 335i M Sport (£34,975). The S-Tronic is actually cheaper than the 335i Auto! The S4 is also has 4WD, leather/alcantara included in the price and given that the S4 is faster/more powerful than it's main competitor, I wouldn't hesitate to say that the S4 is better value than the 335i.

I wonder what the pricing will be like in North America.

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Originally Posted by Deda

ok...but thats only on paper.

Why do you assume that this is purely a paper exercise?

I have mode faith in magazine results then an street race and reason is the quality of the drivers and the attention to detail.

P.S.

Tell me, how did the X6 compare in a recent review of SUVs?

I think you will find it was well behind the winner which just happened to be the Audi Q5.

[V1.47fan]

"Real cars dont give power to the front wheels,They lift em."haha

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There definitely seems to be a disregard for anything with awd, especially anything sporty and I believe this is down to the fact that in the States the only home grown motors that use awd are either pickups or SUVs and they are the sole mode of transport by 'Red-necked'.

In the US if it's sporty at all it will be rwd and use a manual gearbox with a big engine, so anything which doesn't meet these requirements is regarded as crap.

[V1.47fan]

On dry and warm tarmac,I think the 335i will win.It couldn't even duplicate its best 0-60 times,I mean They could've used the 335xi. AWD Vs AWD is that too much to ask?

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I'm not surprised the S4 is a better overall performance car (and value) than the 335i, Audi has had plenty of time to analyze the competition. Seriously.

That being said, good job for Audi, BMW has some real competition, and better make the next 335i faster (and lighter, more reliable).

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Originally Posted by V1.47fan

On dry and warm tarmac,I think the 335i will win.It couldn't even duplicate its best 0-60 times,I mean They could've used the 335xi. AWD Vs AWD is that too much to ask?

I imagine that you will see tests conducted against the 335xi but anything I have read about the awd version is that it's got worse acceleration, poorer handling and dull steering feel. So surely if the S4 is beating the best 335i then what chance does the worst version got.

Also regarding it's 0-60mph time (it's actually 100km/h), it's very difficult to get any rwd car off the line and track surface condition do play more of a part then it will with anything that's awd. I would reckon that AMS will have done multiple runs with the best one being reported.

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Originally Posted by footie

Why do you assume that this is purely a paper exercise?

I have mode faith in magazine results then an street race and reason is the quality of the drivers and the attention to detail.

P.S.

Tell me, how did the X6 compare in a recent review of SUVs?

I think you will find it was well behind the winner which just happened to be the Audi Q5.

That car is pure sex. I want a Q5.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

I imagine that you will see tests conducted against the 335xi but anything I have read about the awd version is that it's got worse acceleration, poorer handling and dull steering feel. So surely if the S4 is beating the best 335i then what chance does the worst version got.

A Jeep will beat a RWD F1 on snow packed roads,err maybe not a good example. A 335xi will beat a 335i at temps below or near freezing even if the roads are dry.
If the test was conducted recently at temps below freezing looking at the snow in the pics,the 335i has a disadvantage going in.

The 335i won against the S5 in the summer,that same test in the middle of winter will give the S5 an edge.

[V1.47fan]

Looking at this picture,imho I think the Xi would've done better.Look at the road condition!

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Is it amazing when the subject of Audi awd beating a rwd 335i is mentioned that everyone brings up the Fifthgear show. On one occasion the 335i won on questionable grounds and reason I say questionable is because it's an entertainment show in a similar style to Topgear. If you want proper testing then look at AutoSport or one if the UK mags, in all of them the S5 was quicker on the track, be it wet or dry.

Also the S5 is not as advanced as the S4 yet, it doesn't have DSG or SportDiff, two items which transform the handling and acceleration of the S4.

Accept it, this time round Audi has the 335i licked which isn't surprising given they had the 335i to gauge their development successes. BMW will fight back when they produce their next 3series.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

Is it amazing when the subject of Audi awd beating a rwd 335i is mentioned that everyone brings up the Fifthgear show. On one occasion the 335i won on questionable grounds and reason I say questionable is because it's an entertainment show in a similar style to Topgear. If you want proper testing then look at AutoSport or one if the UK mags, in all of them the S5 was quicker on the track, be it wet or dry.

Also the S5 is not as advanced as the S4 yet, it doesn't have DSG or SportDiff, two items which transform the handling and acceleration of the S4.

Accept it, this time round Audi has the 335i licked which isn't surprising given they had the 335i to gauge their development successes. BMW will fight back when they produce their next 3series.

You think it's fair to compare a RWD to an AWD on damp/wet roads at temps near or below freezing?

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[Turkishexpress]

I hope the S4 does better. Its got 3 years on the 335i. They had time to make adjustments. Its kind of like the M5 vs. the new CTS-V. Wait a couple of years when its time to upgrade the E90 and the S4 is still in its current form. It goes back and forth... However, I am a little disappointed with the supercharged motor of the new S4.

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Originally Posted by Turkishexpress

I hope the S4 does better. Its got 3 years on the 335i. They had time to make adjustments. Its kind of like the M5 vs. the new CTS-V. Wait a couple of years when its time to upgrade the E90 and the S4 is still in its current form. It goes back and forth... However, I am a little disappointed with the supercharged motor of the new S4.

Of course things go back and forth, that is the way it should be when cars are so evenly matched. The surprise for many was that the M3 wasn't that far ahead of the RS4 as people expected but the reality is when cars are this good the improvement are small and the same is true here with the S4 vs the 335i. But the facts are it is better.

Please explain how you are disappointed with the engine, especially as it's shown itself to be quicker and not by a small amount, though I doubt every result will show such a gap.

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Originally Posted by V1.47fan

You think it's fair to compare a RWD to an AWD on damp/wet roads at temps near or below freezing?

Maybe it's a little unfair but it the reality if you live in most of world that is within 60 miles of the coast because rain happens and when it does you deal with it.

Some will argue that awd is a disadvantage because it slaps power, has poored steering due it driving the steering wheels and pushes the nose but here it steers better, handles better and any advantage got off the line should have been lost as speed builds but here the S4 continues to pull away.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

Maybe it's a little unfair but it the reality if you live in most of world that is within 60 miles of the coast because rain happens and when it does you deal with it.

Some will argue that awd is a disadvantage because it slaps power, has poored steering due it driving the steering wheels and pushes the nose but here it steers better, handles better and any advantage got off the line should have been lost as speed builds but here the S4 continues to pull away.

We're not comparing small SUV's here,wet/damp roads with temperature near freezing level is a different beast than just rain.
Well under those same conditions the S4 will even beat the Porsche Cayman S.

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Originally Posted by V1.47fan

We're not comparing small SUV's here,wet/damp roads with temperature near freezing level is a different beast than just rain.
Well under those same conditions the S4 will even beat the Porsche Cayman S.

Well what about waiting until the weather improves. Maybe then the 335 might put up a better showing but to the rest of us it only proves how good having Quattro is because it doesn't suffer the same inherate problems.

To the rest of the world where both cars are evenly priced the decision for the S4 over the 335 is easier if you don't mind the looks (I'm not sold on them) but if it follows the norm in the US where Audi are a lot more expensive then you guys have a harder decision to make, plus if it doesn't get too cold or much rain then go for the Beemer.

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by hks786

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Apologies if this has been asked and answered, but was that a 335xi, or regular 335i sedan in the AMS test?

EDIT: Okay, standard 335i. Didn't see the scans at first. Well done Audi. Will make a strong candidate as a replacement for my 335i, along with a lightly used E90/92 M3.

[V1.47fan]

I started to think german car mags don't know how to test cars.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202288

look these two tests show the 335xi and the 335i with identical numbers.It's common knowledge that the 335i is faster unless you're comparing both cars on slick roads then even more capable cars will lose.

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I want to see Insideline, Motor Trend and Automobile tests.

I trust Edmund's the most because they seem to be the most consistent, not to mention they usually have vids. The tests are done in normal weather too.

[flipmde786]

I don't get why Audi is making the S4 seem like appropriate competition for the 335i. Yes, the 335 has all this output from the motor and whatever, but it was never meant to be at the level that Audi works their S cars to be. Just because they may be priced similarly doesn't mean they're the same class/type of car. And despite that, the 335 is still right up there with the S4.

I dunno if that gives more credit to BMW or discredit to Audi. The S line of cars was originally meant to compete with M and AMG, not "standard" models. If the only thing you're looking at is price and what you get for the money, then fine, go ahead and compare.

So if the S4 has better steering feel, big freakin deal...it's an S car, the least you can do is achieve that much over a non-M BMW that the general public is buying and driving (in addition to enthusiasts).