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      10-30-2019, 02:48 AM   #1
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Cool Top Gear: Porsche Taycan Turbo S vs Tesla Model S

The moment as we've all been anticipating. After doing a whole lap on the Nurburgring, in Top Gear's test, the Taycan beats Tesla Model S.

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      10-30-2019, 07:32 AM   #2
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Is Tesla in ludicrous mode, seems slower than have seen elsewhere
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      10-30-2019, 01:14 PM   #3
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Great video!! That porsche looks amazing!
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      10-30-2019, 01:42 PM   #4
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Porsche is just the epitome of automotive development. They're geniuses.
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      10-30-2019, 03:56 PM   #5
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I wonder who the Taycan buyers are.... former Tesla owners perhaps?

If only VAG would rebadge the Taycan for Audi... say an RS4, it would obliterate Ms in an instant.
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      10-30-2019, 04:00 PM   #6
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not surprised.
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I couldn’t watch the video due to the host acting a fool.
But does the Porsche have the self driving capability like the Tesla S ?
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      10-30-2019, 04:27 PM   #8
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This isn't a contest. The Model S isn't designed to go on a track. They're very quickly thermal limited. And the stability control sucks and isn't easily disabled. Plus an open diff, electronically regulated and we know how much those are worth. This has all been known for many years and hasn't changed.

On the other hand the Porsche is designed to put out its power for longer, has brakes and suspension designed with some track use in mind. And you can turn off the stability control, which is very good for a skilled driver.

Like wow who do you think will win? They're different cars guys. Don't you get that?
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I think there were some blog posts from some "tesla long" websites that show a Model 3 Performance doing repeated launches with no perceivable performance degradation or limp mode.
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I couldn’t watch the video due to the host acting a fool.
But does the Porsche have the self driving capability like the Tesla S ?
I mean, it's Top Gear. So acting a fool is sorta required, right?
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I wonder who the Taycan buyers are.... former Tesla owners perhaps?

If only VAG would rebadge the Taycan for Audi... say an RS4, it would obliterate Ms in an instant.
You mean like this? Coming soon.

[IMG]https://www.driving.co.uk/s3/st-driv...Concept-04.jpg[/IMG]
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      10-30-2019, 06:14 PM   #12
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I think there were some blog posts from some "tesla long" websites that show a Model 3 Performance doing repeated launches with no perceivable performance degradation or limp mode.
M3p can repeat, Models S in non lurdicurious can probably repeat, not sure if Model S is on lurdcurious mode though, seems a bit slower than what other have tested
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Zero surprise. Porsche is unbeatable all around.
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Zero surprise. Porsche is unbeatable all around.
Spot on !
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8 mph faster in trap speed is no joke - wow!
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M3p can repeat, Models S in non lurdicurious can probably repeat, not sure if Model S is on lurdcurious mode though, seems a bit slower than what other have tested
Tesla S have run well into 10’s, but they do not run over 130mph in the 1/4. Tops Tesla S can trap 127mph. Taycan is very quick with 131.8mph trap. They show the Tesla S in Ludicrous Plus mode in the video, but there is a Ludicrous Plus(plus) mode that takes 15mins to heat up batteries.
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This isn't a contest. The Model S isn't designed to go on a track. They're very quickly thermal limited. And the stability control sucks and isn't easily disabled. Plus an open diff, electronically regulated and we know how much those are worth. This has all been known for many years and hasn't changed.

On the other hand the Porsche is designed to put out its power for longer, has brakes and suspension designed with some track use in mind. And you can turn off the stability control, which is very good for a skilled driver.

Like wow who do you think will win? They're different cars guys. Don't you get that?
Who do you suggest they do a comparison between?

A BMW i8?
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Tesla S have run well into 10’s, but they do not run over 130mph in the 1/4. Tops Tesla S can trap 127mph. Taycan is very quick with 131.8mph trap. They show the Tesla S in Ludicrous Plus mode in the video, but there is a Ludicrous Plus(plus) mode that takes 15mins to heat up batteries.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that the higher trap speed is due to the 2 speed transmission. The 'backwards dyno' effect of the electric motor isn't going to be as noticeable with the tranny attached, since it's likely keeping the RPMS down enough to take proper advantage of the instant HP and TQ; whereas the Tesla motor is spinning as fast as it possibly can where its power is then limited by friction and drag.
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i started to get use to silent drag races..
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Basically Porsche is using "outdated" Rimac Concept One technology for Taycan(Porsche have 10% share in Rimac) just powered down, but enough to beat Model S.
If anyone doesn't know what Rimac is, I'll put old video,race with Tesla at 1:20

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This isn't a contest. The Model S isn't designed to go on a track. They're very quickly thermal limited. And the stability control sucks and isn't easily disabled. Plus an open diff, electronically regulated and we know how much those are worth. This has all been known for many years and hasn't changed.

On the other hand the Porsche is designed to put out its power for longer, has brakes and suspension designed with some track use in mind. And you can turn off the stability control, which is very good for a skilled driver.

Like wow who do you think will win? They're different cars guys. Don't you get that?
The comparisons originate from Tesla's own rhetoric targeting established performance cars.
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