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      05-04-2021, 04:56 PM   #221
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Bro, Bottas? C'mon man!
Even when Ferrari was cheating, Bottas still handily out scored Charles. Lewis is just massively more talented and faster than anyone on the grid - itís not even close, So using him as a benchmark for Bottas is a bit unfair.

Iím still trying to understand how Charles or Russell are rated so high when they havenít accomplished a damn thing.
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Bro, Bottas? C'mon man!
Even when Ferrari was cheating, Bottas still handily out scored Charles. Lewis is just massively more talented and faster than anyone on the grid - it’s not even close, So using him as a benchmark for Bottas is a bit unfair.

I’m still trying to understand how Charles or Russell are rated so high when they haven’t accomplished a damn thing.
Should HAM retire I just don't see BOT staying on as a #1. IMHO I'd ditch BOT for several other drivers including LEC, RUS or possibly NOR.
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Serious question for those across the pond. Is the "Daily Mail" a trusted new source or tabloid?

Or should this question be a pole :
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Should HAM retire I just don't see BOT staying on as a #1. IMHO I'd ditch BOT for several other drivers including LEC, RUS or possibly NOR.
Again - what have any of those people accomplished to say they are better than Bottas? Based on what - says who? Charles is literally overhyped garbage, and will *Never* win a WDC. Heís a better looking Kimi: average driver in a decent car, with a delusional fan base.

Russellís teammate is literally bottom tier and outperforming him doesnít make him Lewis level. Like, Iím struggling to understand the logic here.
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Even when Ferrari was cheating, Bottas still handily out scored Charles. Lewis is just massively more talented and faster than anyone on the grid - itís not even close, So using him as a benchmark for Bottas is a bit unfair.

Iím still trying to understand how Charles or Russell are rated so high when they havenít accomplished a damn thing.
The fact that Russell completely outclassed Bottas in his FIRST drive in the Mercedes is not enough of an indicator for you?
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Again - what have any of those people accomplished to say they are better than Bottas? Based on what - says who? Charles is literally overhyped garbage, and will *Never* win a WDC. Heís a better looking Kimi: average driver in a decent car, with a delusional fan base.

Russellís teammate is literally bottom tier and outperforming him doesnít make him Lewis level. Like, Iím struggling to understand the logic here.
If you think it is delusional to think that Russell is better than Bottas after the Sakhir race last year, there is a possibility your opinion is right, EVEN if Fernando Alonso thinks he is the best of the new drivers. He only won two WDC's, beating Michael Shumacher so no big deal!
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The fact that Russell completely outclassed Bottas in his FIRST drive in the Mercedes is not enough of an indicator for you?
No, I just don't think Bottas is a #1...If I were Toto I'd take a chance on a young gun. MAYBE keep Bottas as an experienced driver to compare cars as regulations change for 2022.
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Bottas is definitely not #1. Toto might want to keep him though, simply because he had a hard time managing Lewis and Nico when Nico won the championship and he does not want to take a chance it can happen again, specially given Lewis has a say so on who is going to be paired with him.
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Again - what have any of those people accomplished to say they are better than Bottas? Based on what - says who? Charles is literally overhyped garbage, and will *Never* win a WDC. Heís a better looking Kimi: average driver in a decent car, with a delusional fan base.

Russellís teammate is literally bottom tier and outperforming him doesnít make him Lewis level. Like, Iím struggling to understand the logic here.
I was taking HAM out of the equation. I'm saying Bottas isn't a #1 driver!

I'm not a rear view mirror type of guy and don't care about historical performance. Bottas isn't a #1 and believe several drivers would out perform him should HAM retire.

If I were a rear view mirror guy Kimi was a phenomenal driver in the early years. He would have several more WDCs in the bag if his McLaren didn't fall apart constantly while completing with real drivers like Schumacher and ALO. As it is Kimi holds his own as a 41 year old driver basically competing for a hobby.
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I was taking HAM out of the equation. I'm saying Bottas isn't a #1 driver!

I'm not a rear view mirror type of guy and don't care about historical performance. Bottas isn't a #1 and believe several drivers would out perform him should HAM retire.

If I were a rear view mirror guy Kimi was a phenomenal driver in the early years. He would have several more WDCs in the bag if his McLaren didn't fall apart constantly while completing with real drivers like Schumacher and ALO. As it is Kimi holds his own as a 41 year old driver basically competing for a hobby.
Bottas isnít a number one, but heís also not bottom tier like this board likes to pretend.

Kimi is and always has been garbage. He is lucked into a WDC in 2007 because of Sir Lewis and Alonsoís Ďrivalryí

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If you think it is delusional to think that Russell is better than Bottas after the Sakhir race last year, there is a possibility your opinion is right, EVEN if Fernando Alonso thinks he is the best of the new drivers. He only won two WDC's, beating Michael Shumacher so no big deal!
Proof of Bottas losing to Russell?

https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ce-result.html

Part of being a good driver is not making mistakes. Who cares how fast he says he is when his results show that heís slower than Bottas who is slower than Lewis. Alonso is a washed up Has been like Kimi, and his comments hold zero weight to me. I have eyes and can form my own opinion, and you should too.

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Serious question for those across the pond. Is the "Daily Mail" a trusted new source or tabloid?

Or should this question be a pole :
Would denigrate into politics, but at this point I don't think anything can be a truly trusted news source. All are biased, all have agendas, all lie to fit those biases and agendas.
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Bottas isnít a number one, but heís also not bottom tier like this board likes to pretend.

Kimi is and always has been garbage. He is lucked into a WDC in 2007 because of Sir Lewis and Alonsoís Ďrivalryí



Proof of Bottas losing to Russell?

https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ce-result.html

Part of being a good driver is not making mistakes. Who cares how fast he says he is when his results show that heís slower than Bottas who is slower than Lewis. Alonso is a washed up Has been like Kimi, and his comments hold zero weight to me. I have eyes and can form my own opinion, and you should too.
Sure. I'll take your racing opinion over an F1 Driver
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Serious question for those across the pond. Is the "Daily Mail" a trusted new source or tabloid?
Its a garbage right wing rag with no interest in journalistic integrity.
Doesn't mean that they might not have actually accidentally stumbled across a hot inside tip but don't take anything they write as gospel until there is reliable confirmation.
Reliable confirmation as in, not some third rate F1 blog (or Eddie Jordan).
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Again - what have any of those people accomplished to say they are better than Bottas? Based on what - says who? Charles is literally overhyped garbage, and will *Never* win a WDC. Heís a better looking Kimi: average driver in a decent car, with a delusional fan base.

Russellís teammate is literally bottom tier and outperforming him doesnít make him Lewis level. Like, Iím struggling to understand the logic here.
Bottas certainly has good single lap speed but he rarely has the same race pace as LH.
Yet its true that if he didn't have Hamilton as his team mate he would likely have won at least a couple of DWCs with a less skilled team mate.

I think you are being a bit harsh on Leclerc who put in some incredible performances in a really average Ferrari.
Also Russell..not really a fan of him but he did at least match Bottas in his one outing in the Merc...that one race doesn't mean he is the next big thing but he didn't fall on his face which has to count for something.
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Toto needs a secured P1 and P2 ...

By this MAX remains out of sight and HAM's A$$ is saved !

That's why Bottas has to go !!!
I couldn't print on here what Toto needs my friend he he
What I meant was that when hammy has accumulated enough points then BOT would be let off the leash in terms of not having any ''sensor issues'' and so forth.
With Russ do you think he would agree to be hammy's lap dog? Toto cannot make a contract in such a way on paper to influence the result of a championship as against the sporting code in F1.
The only way this can be done is privately off the record with a 'bonus' at the end if the other driver behaves himself.
It's why we have seen frustration build in BOT steadily and I'm starting to believe he ''could'' go faster and beat hammy if he wanted to. The fact that he has fell back with tyre warming issues on occasions just doesn't add up with this not affecting hammy that much.
It's why he has been pencil marked allegedly for dismissal later by a press comment because of his growing frustration and has simply outgrown his use in the Petronas Hamilton Merc team.
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Interesting take on the Merc set ups for qualifying and the race
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/t...n-win/6502259/
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Bottas certainly has good single lap speed but he rarely has the same race pace as LH.
Yet its true that if he didn't have Hamilton as his team mate he would likely have won at least a couple of DWCs with a less skilled team mate.

I think you are being a bit harsh on Leclerc who put in some incredible performances in a really average Ferrari.
Also Russell..not really a fan of him but he did at least match Bottas in his one outing in the Merc...that one race doesn't mean he is the next big thing but he didn't fall on his face which has to count for something.
Youíre one of the most reasonable people here. I can agree with most of this, save the LeClerc stuff. I just donít like the guy.
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Great strategy on the part of Merc. If G-man doesn't crash the car, than neither of Merc drivers ever will.

Seriously though, glad he has recovered and still has the passion to drive hard.
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I think its a really generous move by Toto and Merc to let Roman drive their 2019 car at his home GP...good PR but still a nice thing to do.
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Fantastic move Toto and Lewis. Respect.
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