[tranquility]

Originally Posted by 10"

0-60 is overrated.

It's how things FEEL from 0-60 not the time...

No wonder I drove a GT-R and felt bored...

Agreed. The illusion has fooled many ppl into thinking that the gas car has progressed significantly when top speed is at a snail's pace, low 200mph was achieved AGES ago and it's still around the same range.

Wake me up when a production car reaches 300.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Agreed. The illusion has fooled many ppl into thinking that the gas car has progressed significantly when top speed is at a snail's pace, low 200mph was achieved AGES ago and it's still around the same range.

Wake me up when a production car reaches 300.

Because you're just driving around at 150 - 185 all the time, and it's just not fast enough for you now...

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Because you're just driving around at 150 - 185 all the time, and it's just not fast enough for you now...

Well, obviously we're talking about virtual hypotheticals, who's really doing 0-60 max runs all the time as well? The gas car industry is really slow in terms of performance innovations, we're still at low 200s for max speed for production cars.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Well, obviously we're talking about virtual hypotheticals, who's really doing 0-60 max runs all the time as well? The gas car industry is really slow in terms of performance innovations, we're still at low 200s for max speed for production cars.

Not really true. There are plenty of choices for mid to high 200's and a Z06 is good for 200.

Hennessey Venom F5: 301 MPH. ...
Koenigsegg Agera RS: 278 MPH. ...
Hennessey Venom GT: 270MPH. ...
Bugatti Chiron: 261 MPH. ...
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport: 268 MPH. ...
SCC Ultimate Aero: 256 MPH. ...
Tesla Roadster: 250MPH (unverified) ...
Saleen S7 Twin Turbo: 248 MPH.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Not really true. There are plenty of choices for mid to high 200's and a Z06 is good for 200.

Hennessey Venom F5: 301 MPH. ...
Koenigsegg Agera RS: 278 MPH. ...
Hennessey Venom GT: 270MPH. ...
Bugatti Chiron: 261 MPH. ...
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport: 268 MPH. ...
SCC Ultimate Aero: 256 MPH. ...
Tesla Roadster: 250MPH (unverified) ...
Saleen S7 Twin Turbo: 248 MPH.

Many of those aren't production cars.

Anyway, I'm just saying there aren't any great strides, you'd think we'd be @300 and beyond by now, but it's all about 'is there a new cupholder design' and what's the latest faddy seat or dash material. Meh.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Many of those aren't production cars.

Anyway, I'm just saying there aren't any great strides, you'd think we'd be @300 and beyond by now, but it's all about 'is there a new cupholder design' and what's the latest faddy seat or dash material. Meh.

Remind me what production cars of yesteryear could actually do 200? The Macca F1 is sort of a stretch for production car, so what else was there? I can think of the EB110, XJ220 and in theory, a Diablo, but outside of the Diablo, all of those parked together wouldn't fill a small parking lot.

Ultimately it comes down to practicality. Better to make cars quicker rather than faster. I used to work in Germany and rented Porsches a few times because being able to pass the riff raff limited to 250kph was kind of fun. But even at 165mph it was exceedingly rare to be passed by something going faster. A couple of other Porsches and Ferraris would very rarely overtake.

At 165 - 175, you're not left with a huge margin of error. Scaling that up to 200, 250, or 300 just seems like a quick way to remove some rich folks from the planet.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Remind me what production cars of yesteryear could actually do 200? The Macca F1 is sort of a stretch for production car, so what else was there? I can think of the EB110, XJ220 and in theory, a Diablo, but outside of the Diablo, all of those parked together wouldn't fill a small parking lot.

Ultimately it comes down to practicality. Better to make cars quicker rather than faster. I used to work in Germany and rented Porsches a few times because being able to pass the riff raff limited to 250kph was kind of fun. But even at 165mph it was exceedingly rare to be passed by something going faster. A couple of other Porsches and Ferraris would very rarely overtake.

At 165 - 175, you're not left with a huge margin of error. Scaling that up to 200, 250, or 300 just seems like a quick way to remove some rich folks from the planet.

F40, the 959 also.

Anyway, ofc no pt having ridiculous top speed if can't do it practically. I'm just making the pt great strides haven't been made there.

[Red Bread]

959 was technically only good for 197. Probably displayed 220 knowing Porsche speedos though.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

959 was technically only good for 197. Probably displayed 220 knowing Porsche speedos though.

Ya, it was close but supposedly later versions exceeded 200. Anyway...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Ya, it was close but supposedly later versions exceeded 200. Anyway...

I wouldn't kick one out of the garage.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I wouldn't kick one out of the garage.

Yup, that was the ultimate contrast matchup and differences in philosophy, super-hi tech 959 vs barebones F40. I wouldn't either.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Many of those aren't production cars.

Anyway, I'm just saying there aren't any great strides, you'd think we'd be @300 and beyond by now, but it's all about 'is there a new cupholder design' and what's the latest faddy seat or dash material. Meh.

Pardon my French, but who the fuck needs a "production" car that goes 300 MPH? This is such a stupid topic of discussion. Hardly anyone who can afford a "production" car can safely drive above 80 MPH, yet you think the manufacturers of production automobiles should be able to build a 300 MPH "production" car. In reality, a better cupholder IS a laudable engineering effort, so as to make a device that can securely hold a myriad of container sizes and allow the driver to un-distractedly remove the container while driving. While you don't realize it, making a better cupholder is an improvement for society, while a 300 MPH production car is not.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Pardon my French, but who the fuck needs a "production" car that goes 300 MPH? This is such a stupid topic of discussion. Hardly anyone who can afford a "production" car can safely drive above 80 MPH, yet you think the manufacturers of production automobiles should be albe to build a 300 MPH "production" car. In reality, a better cupholder IS a laudible engineering effort, so as to make a device that can securely hold a mariad of container sizes and allow the driver to undistractedly remove the container while driving. While you don't realize it, making a better cupholder is an improvement for society, while a 300 MPH production car is not.

Dude, you totally missed my pt that progress has been slllloooooooowww on the performance front. That's all I'm saying. Jeezus, relax and exhale. Tabarnak.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Dude, you totally missed my pt that progress has been slllloooooooowww on the performance front. That's all I'm saying. Jeezus, relax and exhale. Tabarnak.

No, I got the point...

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

No, I got the point...

Doubtful, as otherwise you wouldn't have freaked out.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Doubtful, as otherwise you wouldn't have freaked out.

Nah, like I said, it's a stupid discussion. You just don't understand physics nor business, so progress to 300 MPH for a "production" car seems slow to you because you don't understand the difficulty of it. Essentially, the difficulty goes up by the square of the velocity. Good engineering practice uses the laws of physics to gain achievements not fight against them. Overcoming difficulty costs money.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Nah, like I said, it's a stupid discussion. You just don't understand physics nor business, so progress to 300 MPH for a "production" car seems slow to you because you don't understand the difficulty of it. Essentially, the difficulty goes up by the square of the velocity. Good engineering practice uses the laws of physics to gain achievements not fight against them. Overcoming difficulty costs money.

..and you don't understand tongue-in-cheek. Cars are already faster than ppl should drive them on public roads. Still, all I'm saying is that performance advancements have been only incremental.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

..and you don't understand tongue-in-cheek. Cars are already faster than ppl should drive them on public roads. Still, all I'm saying is that performance advancements have been only incremental.

Because the cost for the incremental growth in top speed for a practical-bodied car (i.e. one that a human and passengers can fit in to drive it - the production car you speak of) is inverse of the value of gaining such an achievement.

...and see post #48 for a tongue-in-cheek remark

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Because the cost for the incremental growth in top speed for a practical-bodied car (i.e. one that a human and passengers can fit in to drive it - the production car you speak of) is inverse of the value of gaining such an achievement.

...and see post #48 for a tongue-in-cheek remark

Too much nerd-speak for me to understand.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Too much nerd-speak for me to understand.

That's been my point all along...