[sflgator]

For anyone wondering just how fast (or slow ) the new '08 Infiniti G37 is over the 1/4 mi., here's a thread from a G37 driver who ran at the Capital Raceway track in Crofton, MD (not sure how good or bad that track is in regards to launches, ETs, etc. though)...

http://myg37.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174515

Also, here's a few more G37 times on DragTimes.com (showing similar times, but no timeslips posted)...

http://www.dragtimes.com/Infiniti--G37-Drag-Racing.html

Anyhow, I think it's it's fair to say that a stock BMW 335i would have no problems with an '08 Infiniti G37 and a PROcede (or XEDE or JB2 or SSTT) 335i would pretty much destroy a G37 over the 1/4 mi. In fact, this guy got beat by a modded turbo Honda Civic ricer! Apparently, the 'oh-so-powerful' 330HP Infiniti G37 is still having a difficult time breaking below 14.0 sec. 1/4 mi.; at best, this particular G37 ran the 1/4 mi. in ~13.956 sec. @ 101.64mph. So much for the Infiniti G35/37 power "swell."

Although it's still a great car for less $$ than the BMW 335i, the '08 Infiniti G37 Coupe just can't match the performance (at least in straight line speed) of the 335i. Just thought I'd share, and btw -- I used to drive two Infiniti's (a modded and loaded '04 G35 and a loaded '03 FX35) and I DO think they're great cars for the $$...I almost got another G35, until I drove the 335i that is.

[Maroon]

That civic 'ricer' may beat a tuned 335i. He trapped 113 mph

I guess 13.95@101.6 is very good for a 37xx lb car with 5 speed automatic driven by a track noob. But still, no match for the 335i.

[arcrox]

The power curve of the 335i owns the G37, which is also a porker at nearly 3700 lbs.

[LACA335i]

Originally Posted by Maroon

That civic 'ricer' may beat a tuned 335i. He trapped 113 mph

I guess 13.95@101.6 is very good for a 37xx lb car with 5 speed automatic driven by a track noob. But still, no match for the 335i.

u got that g37 got more hp than 335i and it is still suck stock vs stock against 335i

[!Xoible]

yah dude.. if this was a bit faster i would be driving one right now...thank God it's not

[E90ice]

G37

[EJ2000]

so to paraphrase:

"The first G37 drag times in a 5AT by a track newb were 14.0 seconds.

ZOMGZ, the G37 is soo slow. ZOMGZ, the 335i is the fastest thing in the world. And the PROcede 2.0 must be faster than God!"

... most people realize the G37 isn't the fastest in it's class - that is nothing new. But the 335i isn't ridiculously faster than it. I'm sure we'll see several people putting down 13.8s and maybe as low as 13.5-13.6 in a stock G37 once more people take it to the track. Even 13.8 isn't THAT much slower than a stock 335i.

Half of the "Other Car" threads on this site just sit there and bash the other car because apparently nothing can compare to the 335i. Sure, it's a little faster than the G37, and it has much easier modding potential, but IMO, those are the only categories it clearly wins in. To me, the G37 is much more attractive, has better tech, is more comfortable, and costs less.

You can think whatever you want about the G37 or any other cars. But when people see all these threads look the same, it looks like you are so cocky about your own cars, you can't even see things straight and respect that there are other car which are very nice as well. /rant

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

so to paraphrase:

"The first G37 drag times in a 5AT by a track newb were 14.0 seconds.

ZOMGZ, the G37 is soo slow. ZOMGZ, the 335i is the fastest thing in the world. And the PROcede 2.0 must be faster than God!"

... most people realize the G37 isn't the fastest in it's class - that is nothing new. But the 335i isn't ridiculously faster than it. I'm sure we'll see several people putting down 13.8s and maybe as low as 13.5-13.6 in a stock G37 once more people take it to the track. Even 13.8 isn't THAT much slower than a stock 335i.

Half of the "Other Car" threads on this site just sit there and bash the other car because apparently nothing can compare to the 335i. Sure, it's a little faster than the G37, and it has much easier modding potential, but IMO, those are the only categories it clearly wins in. To me, the G37 is much more attractive, has better tech, is more comfortable, and costs less.

You can think whatever you want about the G37 or any other cars. But when people see all these threads look the same, it looks like you are so cocky about your own cars, you can't even see things straight and respect that there are other car which are very nice as well. /rant

Fact #1: the G37 is a slow car and a heavy pig.

Fact #2: You are a troll!

[slick101]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

so to paraphrase:

"The first G37 drag times in a 5AT by a track newb were 14.0 seconds.

ZOMGZ, the G37 is soo slow. ZOMGZ, the 335i is the fastest thing in the world. And the PROcede 2.0 must be faster than God!"

... most people realize the G37 isn't the fastest in it's class - that is nothing new. But the 335i isn't ridiculously faster than it. I'm sure we'll see several people putting down 13.8s and maybe as low as 13.5-13.6 in a stock G37 once more people take it to the track. Even 13.8 isn't THAT much slower than a stock 335i.
Half of the "Other Car" threads on this site just sit there and bash the other car because apparently nothing can compare to the 335i. Sure, it's a little faster than the G37, and it has much easier modding potential, but IMO, those are the only categories it clearly wins in. To me, the G37 is much more attractive, has better tech, is more comfortable, and costs less.

You can think whatever you want about the G37 or any other cars. But when people see all these threads look the same, it looks like you are so cocky about your own cars, you can't even see things straight and respect that there are other car which are very nice as well. /rant

+1....i think we give the g37 a little less credit here...i mean we dont know the elevation of that track and 335 could probably do a 13.9 at that track too...i've seen a couple of 335's do those numbers at some tracks...and then the driver... he's not exactly a race car driver like most of us...the g37 is an awesome car with regards to price and tecnology... but the g37 is not that much cheaper than the 335 .... and as far as looks go it's highly individual... i personally think the 335 is much more better looking and attractive... comfort wise it could give the 335 a run for it's money but it's not quiet there yet...

most of us here, including me, are very passionate about our cars especially when the car is a trend setter...i'm a middle class guy.. i consider it an honor to own a 335....so when somebody compares thje g37 to a 335 and talks down about the 335, it gets me a lil pissed... but that's wat forums are for discuss to about other cars .... it's human nature to vent...i would rather vent here than on the streets...venting the right way is healthy...and being neutral is not all that fun... sorry for the long post!!

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

so to paraphrase:

"The first G37 drag times in a 5AT by a track newb were 14.0 seconds.

ZOMGZ, the G37 is soo slow. ZOMGZ, the 335i is the fastest thing in the world. And the PROcede 2.0 must be faster than God!"

... most people realize the G37 isn't the fastest in it's class - that is nothing new. But the 335i isn't ridiculously faster than it. I'm sure we'll see several people putting down 13.8s and maybe as low as 13.5-13.6 in a stock G37 once more people take it to the track. Even 13.8 isn't THAT much slower than a stock 335i.

Half of the "Other Car" threads on this site just sit there and bash the other car because apparently nothing can compare to the 335i. Sure, it's a little faster than the G37, and it has much easier modding potential, but IMO, those are the only categories it clearly wins in. To me, the G37 is much more attractive, has better tech, is more comfortable, and costs less.

You can think whatever you want about the G37 or any other cars. But when people see all these threads look the same, it looks like you are so cocky about your own cars, you can't even see things straight and respect that there are other car which are very nice as well. /rant

1. I used to drive a modded (Z-tube/K&N Filter, 2/3" Plenum Spacer, Coupe midpipe, and 10-wire Grounding Gear) and completely loaded '04 Infiniti 5AT G35 Sedan (loved it btw ), and let me just say that I almost got an '07 Infiniti G35 Sedan again (b/c it's really a great car for less $$ than the BMW 335i)...until I drove the BMW 335i that is. The BMW 335i is clearly a higher performing car, and worth the extra $$, imho (especially when modding potential is taken into consideration).

2. With that said, even the new and improved Infiniti G35/37 have its advantages and disadvantages compared with the '07 or '08 BMW 335i...

a) Infiniti still did not fix the 5AT's upshift delay when in MM mode (the tranny shifts way too slow compared with the BMW 335i's lightning fast < 100ms ZF 6AT tranny).
b) The brakes in the Infiniti G35 Sedan (not sure about the G37 Coupe) are way too spongy now (they used to be great, but Infiniti overcompensated for MY '07 for when ppl complained about the previous generation G35 brakes were too touchy (although I thought hey were phenomenal); now they just suck, imho.
c) There's just so much less TQ in the Infiniti G35/37 compared with the BMW 335i; the 335i just has a huge TQ advantage even from down low from 1,500rpm, all the way 7,000rpm.

3. The Infiniti G35/37's electronics are definitely better, imho...the Navi system and integration of the stereo system are awesome; better than the BMW 335i, although I have to admit the H/K Logic7 stereo system is the best stock stereo system I've ever heard (better than the "Blose" system that the Infiniti gets).

4. It's quite apparent that although the new VQ engine in the Infiniti G37 has plenty of HP (330BHP), the lower TQ and heavy weight of the car seem to negatively affect its performance. As much of an improvement as the new Infiniti G35 & G37s are over the previous generation G35, they're still no match for the BMW 335i in terms of performance and driving feel...8/10ths of the BMW 335i is not bad at all, considering it's less $$, but it's still 8/10ths and not equal.

5. When PROcede 335i's are running 4.2x - 4.4x sec. 0-60mph (excluding max boost's 3.9x sec. 0-60mph w/ DRs ) and 12.4x - 13.0x sec. @ 108+mph 1/4 mi., don't say we didn't tell you so...that a PROcede 335i can walk an Infiniti G37 by several CLs. The cars that we're after are ones like the BMW E60 M5, BMW E92 M3, E46 M3, Audi S4, Audi S5, Audi RS4, MB AMG, Porsche 911 and 911 S, Porsche Cayman S, Dodge/Chrysler SRT-8, Mitsu Evo, Subie WRX Sti, etc...all very fast cars; the Infiniti G35/G37 is just cake walk for a PROcede 335i. And, if you still don't think so, find a PROcede 335i to run against...and let us know what happens.

6. What E90ice said...the G37 doesn't perform as well as the BMW 335i, and don't be a troll on here.

My '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan (gone) and my current '07 BMW 335i Coupe...

[EJ2000]

Originally Posted by sflgator

1. I used to drive a modded (Z-tube/K&N Filter, 2/3" Plenum Spacer, Coupe midpipe, and 10-wire Grounding Gear) and completely loaded '04 Infiniti 5AT G35 Sedan (loved it btw ), and let me just say that I almost got an '07 Infiniti G35 Sedan again (b/c it's really a great car for less $$ than the BMW 335i)...until I drove the BMW 335i that is. The BMW 335i is clearly a higher performing car, and worth the extra $$, imho (especially when modding potential is taken into consideration).

2. With that said, even the new and improved Infiniti G35/37 have its advantages and disadvantages compared with the '07 or '08 BMW 335i...

a) Infiniti still did not fix the 5AT's upshift delay when in MM mode (the tranny shifts way too slow compared with the BMW 335i's lightning fast < 100ms ZF 6AT tranny).
b) The brakes in the Infiniti G35 Sedan (not sure about the G37 Coupe) are way too spongy now (they used to be great, but Infiniti overcompensated for MY '07 for when ppl complained about the previous generation G35 brakes were too touchy (although I thought hey were phenomenal); now they just suck, imho.
c) There's just so much less TQ in the Infiniti G35/37 compared with the BMW 335i; the 335i just has a huge TQ advantage even from down low from 1,500rpm, all the way 7,000rpm.

3. The Infiniti G35/37's electronics are definitely better, imho...the Navi system and integration of the stereo system are awesome; better than the BMW 335i, although I have to admit the H/K Logic7 stereo system is the best stock stereo system I've ever heard (better than the "Blose" system that the Infiniti gets).

4. It's quite apparent that although the new VQ engine in the Infiniti G37 has plenty of HP (330BHP), the lower TQ and heavy weight of the car seem to negatively affect its performance. As much of an improvement as the new Infiniti G35 & G37s are over the previous generation G35, they're still no match for the BMW 335i in terms of performance and driving feel...8/10ths of the BMW 335i is not bad at all, considering it's less $$, but it's still 8/10ths and not equal.

5. When PROcede 335i's are running 4.2x - 4.4x sec. 0-60mph (excluding max boost's 3.9x sec. 0-60mph w/ DRs ) and 12.4x - 13.0x sec. @ 108+mph 1/4 mi., don't say we didn't tell you so...that a PROcede 335i can walk an Infiniti G37 by several CLs. The cars that we're after are ones like the BMW E60 M5, BMW E92 M3, E46 M3, Audi S4, Audi S5, Audi RS4, MB AMG, Porsche 911 and 911 S, Porsche Cayman S, Dodge/Chrysler SRT-8, Mitsu Evo, Subie WRX Sti, etc...all very fast cars; the Infiniti G35/G37 is just cake walk for a PROcede 335i. And, if you still don't think so, find a PROcede 335i to run against...and let us know what happens.

6. What E90ice said...the G37 doesn't perform as well as the BMW 335i, and don't be a troll on here.

My '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan (gone) and my current '07 BMW 335i Coupe...

First of all - thanks for that post. At least that was a much more even handed analysis than a lot of the other crap that posters have been writing about the G37.

Let me just say that I like the 335i a lot. I've driven e90 and e92 335s, 6AT and manual. My friend picked up a e90 335i and we play around a little bit when heading to/from a variety of events.

Anyway, here are my responses to your points:

1) Sounds like you had a pretty nice G35. I agree that the 335i is the higher performing car (in a straight line) but not by a huge margin. I also agree that a modded (PROcede) 335i would spank a G37 in the 1/4. In other performance measurements, the line is much more blurred.

2) Agreed.
a) the G37 auto is absolutely inferior to the 6At in the 335i.
b) the brake feel in the G37 is not spongy at all. It is much more like the G35 coupe than the 2007 G35 sedan.
c) the torque advantage in the 335i is great, the engines are definitely designed to have a much different character.

3) Mostly agreed. The electronics are great. My car has touch screen navi with birds-eye view, and navigation traffic. Nearly every command also has voice activation, including the climate control, audio, and phone. I have 14 way power adjustable seats, including side and seat bolsters, intelligent cruise control, etc. In case you couldn't tell, I really appreciate the tech. I had a G35 prior to my G37, and I agree that the Bose system in it was horrible. However, the Studio on wheels in the G37, especially with the upgraded driver's audio stage is great. It was easily better than the 335i audio system, although I don't know if that was the H/K Logic system or not.

4) Without a doubt, the G37 (6MT vs 6MT) is noticeably faster than the G35 coupe (I had the 06 with rev-up). Personally, I find the handling/steering/braking feel of the G37 to be equally as nice as the 335i. Performance of the G37 is not 8/10s of the 335i. Let's use 13.5 for the 335i and 14.0 for the G37 - in that case, it's 96% of the 335i. And without trying to get too heavy into magazine racing, I'd say it's near a wash in most other categories.

5) I have never disputed the point that the PROcede 335i is a lot faster. If you can find that, let me know. I understand it has bigger fish to fry, and so do TT G37s.

6) I enjoy 335is and (parts of) this forum. This is the other cars section, and I am posting about other cars. Frankly, I am posting in this thread in particular to call out some ignorant and pompous posts, and provide a more fair and balanced look at the 2 cars. IMO, E90ice is a much bigger troll than I am. Look at how that guy posts, almost every time he steps in the "Other Cars" topic, he bashes whatever car is being posted about.

However, I do find this thread slightly amusing. There are now 2 threads on E90post saying how bad and slow the G37 is. Both are quoting the drag times of 1 driver. This was the absolute FIRST TIME the driver had ever been to a 1/4 mi track. We are quoting a newbie with his absolute first run EVER as a 14.0? Let's get serious here, put an experienced driver in a manual G37 and those numbers are going to drop. Plus, if we want to quote the lowest times, well dragtimes has a stock 335i putting down a 13.8. What about 13.2 for the PROcede 335i on dragtimes? You listed 13.0X as the slowest a PROcede will run, but it seems dragtimes has 13.1 as your fastest time. So let's just be fair when we compare times. I know when I drive against my friend with a 335i, neither of us pulls away from the other.

So in sum, if you prefer the 335i that's great. I prefer the G37. I'm also saying that the 335i is a frickin awesome car, and I would have got one in a second if the G37 didn't exist. Neither car would likely be designed or exist without the other. In the previous generation, the G35 put a (straight line) whooping on the 3-series, but the e46 was immensely more refined. The G37 closed that refinement gap a bit and now the 335i is faster. I wish I had something as easy as a PROcede piggyback that I could add to my car! I'm just asking the forum members to be fair about their posts with respect to other cars. We are all passionate drivers - The 335i is wonderful and you don't have to rationalize it by putting down other cars.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

First of all - thanks for that post. At least that was a much more even handed analysis than a lot of the other crap that posters have been writing about the G37.

However, I do find this thread slightly amusing. There are now 2 threads on E90post saying how bad and slow the G37 is. Both are quoting the drag times of 1 driver. This was the absolute FIRST TIME the driver had ever been to a 1/4 mi track. We are quoting a newbie with his absolute first run EVER as a 14.0? Let's get serious here, put an experienced driver in a manual G37 and those numbers are going to drop. Plus, if we want to quote the lowest times, well dragtimes has a stock 335i putting down a 13.8. What about 13.2 for the PROcede 335i on dragtimes? You listed 13.0X as the slowest a PROcede will run, but it seems dragtimes has 13.1 as your fastest time. So let's just be fair when we compare times. I know when I drive against my friend with a 335i, neither of us pulls away from the other.

So in sum, if you prefer the 335i that's great. I prefer the G37. I'm also saying that the 335i is a frickin awesome car, and I would have got one in a second if the G37 didn't exist. Neither car would likely be designed or exist without the other. In the previous generation, the G35 put a (straight line) whooping on the 3-series, but the e46 was immensely more refined. The G37 closed that refinement gap a bit and now the 335i is faster. I wish I had something as easy as a PROcede piggyback that I could add to my car! I'm just asking the forum members to be fair about their posts with respect to other cars. We are all passionate drivers - The 335i is wonderful and you don't have to rationalize it by putting down other cars.

Thank you for your intelligent response as well. A couple points to your response...

1. During my first time ever at the 1/4 mi. track, I ran 13.097sec. @ 106.67mph (w/ a 1.977sec. 60ft.) in my PROcede 335i (v1.40 @ the time...now I've got the even more powerful v2.0 ), so I guess we can compare apples to apples on that one (except they were of course 2 different tracks and I'm in a PROcede 335i ).

2. I've got every Tech feature in my 335i that you've got in your G37, aside form the 9.3gb HDD, rear view camera, and 4WS...I've got BMW's Comfort Access (Infiniti's Intelligent Key), Active Cruise Control (Infiniti's Intelligent Cruise Control), Voice Recognition/Activation for just about everything...Navi w/ Real-time Traffic Info (that's included @ n/c...not a paid subscription service through XM Sat Radio like Infiniti), Sirius Sat Radio, Stereo, CD, Bluetooth cellphone, A/C, etc., Bluetooth, Sport Seats w/ electronic side bolsters and manual thigh extension, BMW Assist (like OnStar or MB's Tele-Aid), etc. However, like I said b4, Infiniti just knows how to integrate all of this better, and from my own experiences with both, the Infiniti Navi system is far superior to that of the BMW.

3. I agree with you on most other points. Enjoy your G37! One word of caution though...be careful challenging a 335i, since you wouldn't have a clue if he has PROcede (or XEDE or whatever); if you get smoked by several CLs, you'll know why.

[slick101]

the last 3 posts are the best posts i've ever seen on this forum...very intelligently done...

[!Xoible]

today is not a good BMW day for me. i have to point out that my G35 never threw malfunction error messages telling me that my brakes, abs, dtc, air bags and seatbelts are disabled!!!!!

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by mantis

today is not a good BMW day for me. i have to point out that my G35 never threw malfunction error messages telling me that my brakes, abs, dtc, air bags and seatbelts are disabled!!!!!

Cause your G35 like mine didn't have lights like those to begin with.So you wouldn't know if it didnt work.Just like when I got hit by a drunk driver in a head on collison my Driver side airbag didn't go off instead the passenger side went off (with NO passenger) and the impact was mostly on my side!Thanks for nothing Infiniti.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Cause your G35 like mine didn't have lights like those to begin with.So you wouldn't know if it didnt work.Just like when I got hit by a drunk driver in a head on collison my Driver side airbag didn't go off instead the passenger side went off (with NO passenger) and the impact was mostly on my side!Thanks for nothing Infiniti.

I do agree with you about not having all the warning lights on the Infiniti; it does seem as if BMW is much more advanced in terms on safety warnings and engine controls and checks.

Regarding your accident in your Infiniti G35, sorry to hear that...I take it you were ok though. Your experience was very different from my accident I had in my '04 G35 Sedan...driving 70mph in the left highway lane when a commercial work truck pulling an empty trailer pulled out right in front of me (driving ~ 20mph) from the median; I slammed on the brakes and swerved, but I still clipped their trailer doing about 60mph upon impact. I spun out and landed about 3 ft. from the right-hand guardrail. I had 6/8 airbags deploy and thank God, I walked out without a scratch! My G35 wasn't so lucky of course...it was totalled. One of the reasons I almost got another Infiniti G35. Thank you, Infiniti!

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Cause your G35 like mine didn't have lights like those to begin with.So you wouldn't know if it didnt work.Just like when I got hit by a drunk driver in a head on collison my Driver side airbag didn't go off instead the passenger side went off (with NO passenger) and the impact was mostly on my side!Thanks for nothing Infiniti.

well what im getting isnt any better at all. im getting false errors all the time. who knows if the airbags will deploy or not.

[achien]

Did you call your lawyer and sue the pants off Infiniti?

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Cause your G35 like mine didn't have lights like those to begin with.So you wouldn't know if it didnt work.Just like when I got hit by a drunk driver in a head on collison my Driver side airbag didn't go off instead the passenger side went off (with NO passenger) and the impact was mostly on my side!Thanks for nothing Infiniti.

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by achien

Did you call your lawyer and sue the pants off Infiniti?

No I was busy with other shit I wonder if I still can 2 years later lol..

[Robert]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

so to paraphrase:

"The first G37 drag times in a 5AT by a track newb were 14.0 seconds.

ZOMGZ, the G37 is soo slow. ZOMGZ, the 335i is the fastest thing in the world. And the PROcede 2.0 must be faster than God!"

... most people realize the G37 isn't the fastest in it's class - that is nothing new. But the 335i isn't ridiculously faster than it. I'm sure we'll see several people putting down 13.8s and maybe as low as 13.5-13.6 in a stock G37 once more people take it to the track. Even 13.8 isn't THAT much slower than a stock 335i.

Half of the "Other Car" threads on this site just sit there and bash the other car because apparently nothing can compare to the 335i. Sure, it's a little faster than the G37, and it has much easier modding potential, but IMO, those are the only categories it clearly wins in. To me, the G37 is much more attractive, has better tech, is more comfortable, and costs less.

You can think whatever you want about the G37 or any other cars. But when people see all these threads look the same, it looks like you are so cocky about your own cars, you can't even see things straight and respect that there are other car which are very nice as well. /rant

uhmm so if bmw owners can't bash other cars in their own forum where can they bash the other cars? If you don't like it you dont have to read it. It's just that simple and if you are here to inform bmw driver's ignorance please get a new hobby. You are trying too hard.

[keysopendoors]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Cause your G35 like mine didn't have lights like those to begin with.So you wouldn't know if it didnt work.Just like when I got hit by a drunk driver in a head on collison my Driver side airbag didn't go off instead the passenger side went off (with NO passenger) and the impact was mostly on my side!Thanks for nothing Infiniti.

kind of off topic but check out that benz in the background of the photo...that shit is slammed! haha. i wonder what it looked like before the fire damage.

i've driven the new G35 S sedan on many occasions and i even chose my 328i over it. as nice of a car as it is, it just doesnt provide the same driving experience as the 3 series. i havent driven the G37 coupe yet, but i dont think the driving dynamics will differ much from the sedan.

[533ogetnom]

lol @ the g37 guy that joined and the "13.8 is not THAT much slower than a stock 335", you do realize 3 tenths in the quarter mile is a long as time right?

all other things equal thats going to translate to seconds difference on a roadcourse, which is pretty fing huge