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      11-13-2020, 04:17 PM   #353
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The car itself is great IMO. I happen to just find it difficult to see myself driving this based on the station wagon/Mini van or MPV proportions and not being a true SUV. I was hopeful after my i3 and this was going to be my next vehicle but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to see myself in it. The price point does not look to be below $80K. At +$100K there is zero chances of me buying this.

Hoping the i4 doesn't disappoint in design. I'm not concerned about a few miles or a few seconds performance difference from Tesla.
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that's also a big no the design is way way way to complex tesla nailed it BMW learn something stop trying so hard geeez
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The grilles are here to stay. I admire BMW for recreating their design language, much to the chagrin of some people in the peripheral. They are definitely thinking forward.
LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
You have the right to your own opinion as do others. No reason to attack them for disliking it. If it seems a common theme then there is merit to it. As you said yourself, embrace the criticism in the process. It's not personal unless you designed it.
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LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
You have the right to your own opinion as do others. No reason to attack them for disliking it. If it seems a common theme then there is merit to it. As you said yourself, embrace the criticism in the process. It's not personal unless you designed it.
So wait, members can more or less continue to attack me, but I can't rebut?!? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
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The grilles are here to stay. I admire BMW for recreating their design language, much to the chagrin of some people in the peripheral. They are definitely thinking forward.
LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
Without any tone or argumentative purposes, can you share a bit more your view on how the gigantic grills are a symbol of BMW thinking forward?
It is not uncommon for design to be ahead of its time. Yes, sometimes forward thinking/design fails, but taking risks is part of the fun. If a designer or design team never tries to take their designs down other paths, the designs become stale.
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BMW is destroying the brand with these atrocious Grills. It's pretty bad when you try to find reasons to like the design. I hope they will reconsider.
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LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
My opinion on the grilles / exterior being an utter design failure is shared by many.

BTW I'm not attacking you personally...you literally sounded like you worked for BMW in that post so I asked the question.

If you like the design that's great. You know what they say about opinions, everyone's got one.
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The grilles are here to stay. I admire BMW for recreating their design language, much to the chagrin of some people in the peripheral. They are definitely thinking forward.
LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
You have the right to your own opinion as do others. No reason to attack them for disliking it. If it seems a common theme then there is merit to it. As you said yourself, embrace the criticism in the process. It's not personal unless you designed it.
So wait, members can more or less continue to attack me, but I can't rebut?!? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Not saying you can't rebut, it is well within your right to. That being said I've seen many examples of it going the other way around where you've called out people for their viewpoints on disagreeing with the current design language, in which they never referenced you. Your so called "will you be driving it in a few years lists" stand out the most.
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This looks like the result of breeding an i3 with the new 4 series. Gross.
It baffles my mind that BMW didn't learn for i3 failure :
Everyone who has owned one, including myself, pretty much loves the car. They tried to kill it but it still sells, albeit not extremely well, but well enough.
My buddy had it in Chicago and he liked it's driving. We all have diff tastes, the cars I like my friends don't.
I'm just talking in general about the project.
The i3 is an EV that I actually find fun to drive. I still enjoy my M3 and I'm shopping for a Porsche and a big SUV. I don't think you have to stick with one type of car if that's what you are saying.
Not sticking to one type, I enjoy all cars.
BMW designs used to be more sophisticated, subtle and the body lines showing the power of the car. Now, it's very busy design, too many cuts and edges with different color shades. It could be the market demand,
I'm not an expert.

Let me tell you, KIA is doing really great job, making simple designs which stand out. take Stinger as an example, that car got so much appreciation from all kind of enthusiasts and it's good performance wise too. I see them often on track.
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The grilles are here to stay. I admire BMW for recreating their design language, much to the chagrin of some people in the peripheral. They are definitely thinking forward.
LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
Without any tone or argumentative purposes, can you share a bit more your view on how the gigantic grills are a symbol of BMW thinking forward?
It is not uncommon for design to be ahead of its time. Yes, sometimes forward thinking/design fails, but taking risks is part of the fun. If a designer or design team never tries to take their designs down other paths, the designs become stale.
How are large grills that no one likes considered Forward Thinking? They are not innovative in any way. They aren't functional. It's not a feature. They are just aesthetics.
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      11-14-2020, 02:36 AM   #364
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The grilles are here to stay. I admire BMW for recreating their design language, much to the chagrin of some people in the peripheral. They are definitely thinking forward.
LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
Without any tone or argumentative purposes, can you share a bit more your view on how the gigantic grills are a symbol of BMW thinking forward?
It is not uncommon for design to be ahead of its time. Yes, sometimes forward thinking/design fails, but taking risks is part of the fun. If a designer or design team never tries to take their designs down other paths, the designs become stale.
How are large grills that no one likes considered Forward Thinking? They are not innovative in any way. They aren't functional. It's not a feature. They are just aesthetics.
The true reaction/reception/success won't be accurately gauged any time soon. A few years from now we'll know how successful the design truly was.
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Who is that chick? Is she a motoring journalist or just someone with good connections? Always seems to be reviewing latest models and has exclusive reveals. How does she get her mitts on those?
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LOL do you work for BMW? This is atrocious...
Your response is both tired and overly regurgitated. No, I do not work for BMW. Admiring their willingness to push forward despite criticism(s) does not make me a shill. I would admire any business or person willing to carve their own path as they see fit, embracing criticism in the process.
Without any tone or argumentative purposes, can you share a bit more your view on how the gigantic grills are a symbol of BMW thinking forward?
It is not uncommon for design to be ahead of its time. Yes, sometimes forward thinking/design fails, but taking risks is part of the fun. If a designer or design team never tries to take their designs down other paths, the designs become stale.
How are large grills that no one likes considered Forward Thinking? They are not innovative in any way. They aren't functional. It's not a feature. They are just aesthetics.
The true reaction/reception/success won't be accurately gauged any time soon. A few years from now we'll know how successful the design truly was.
How would you measure the success of the gigantic kidney grills?
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The same way BMW does: sales.
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How would you measure the success of the gigantic kidney grills?
The same way BMW does: sales.
So we are saying if the iX sales well it must be because of the grills?
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How would you measure the success of the gigantic kidney grills?
The same way BMW does: sales.
Car is still ugly even if it sells, just look at how many Lexus RX's and Hyundai Elantra's sell. They aren't winning any beauty pageants.

No matter what, to me, this is a design failure.
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Female privilege perhaps?
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I'm having difficulty scouring the specifications for "advanced" technology here.

The whole concept has been touted as "next generation" hence iNext - but unless this is 2012 news, I can't find anything that pushes the needle forward on market-defining technology, BEV or otherwise.
Give me a few names of other EV SUV with better specs.
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So we are saying if the iX sales well it must be because of the grills?
Partially, yes. BMW cares about sales. That's it. They're a different car company than they were many years ago. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is.

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No matter what, to me, this is a design failure.
Then don't buy it.
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So we are saying if the iX sales well it must be because of the grills?
Partially, yes. BMW cares about sales. That's it. They're a different car company than they were many years ago. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is.

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Car is still ugly even if it sells, just look at how many Lexus RX's and Hyundai Elantra's sell. They aren't winning any beauty pageants.

No matter what, to me, this is a design failure.
Then don't buy it.
But what you are saying is that if the vehicle is a success, is not due to the price point, or value prop, or range, or interior design, or exterior design, or driving dynamics, etc. You are saying it due to the grills. Which I'm not clear how we are arriving at that conclusion.
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For some people, the brand turned their backs on them with the death of hydraulic steering. For others it was turboing every engine... the more you polarize your costumer base the more people you will find turning to other brands. BMW was just trying to expand their brand appeal with 30+ model types while losing their history and what they became popular for in the first place.

And now we get big ugly grilles.
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