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      01-29-2017, 11:23 AM   #133
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Are you going to visit Pakistan? Would it be a problem there that you are an atheist?
I haven't been to Pakistan since I went to a wedding in the 1990s.

I would not visit Pakistan because I am an atheist and I am honest. I was born in Pakistan to a Muslim family. I have rejected all religions as well as all gods. That makes me a target because my actions are considered to be Apostasy.

Here's a read on Apostasy in Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

I am sure the Saudi Wahabi scum will have no hesitation in beheading me.

After the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan things changed in Pakistan. Pakistan was tolerant before that. After this invasion the Saudis poured in with their petroleum based money and opened up extremist mosques. Most Pakistani's were Hanafi/Barelvi/Sufi Muslims (these are all schools of jurisprudence) prior to this Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After the invasion the Wahabis took over more and more control.

The Taliban and ISIS/ISIL are Wahabi. My becoming an Atheist has nothing to do with Wahabis by the way. I take responsibility for my thoughts, my words, and my actions. Being an Atheist is 100% on me!!
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I haven't been to Pakistan since I went to a wedding in the 1990s.

I would not visit Pakistan because I am an atheist and I am honest. I was born in Pakistan to a Muslim family. I have rejected all religions as well as all gods. That makes me a target because my actions are considered to be Apostasy.

Here's a read on Apostasy in Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

I am sure the Saudi Wahabi scum will have no hesitation in beheading me.

After the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan things changed in Pakistan. Pakistan was tolerant before that. After this invasion the Saudis poured in with their petroleum based money and opened up extremist mosques. Most Pakistani's were Hanafi/Barelvi/Sufi Muslims (these are all schools of jurisprudence) prior to this Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After the invasion the Wahabis took over more and more control.

The Taliban and ISIS/ISIL are Wahabi. My becoming an Atheist has nothing to do with Wahabis by the way. I take responsibility for my thoughts, my words, and my actions. Being an Atheist is 100% on me!!
It seems like most of these middle eastern countries used to be more moderate 30-40 years ago. I have always wanted to visit Lahore because my grandparents hail from there (pre-partition India), but as a Hindu I fear what would happen to me there.
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Honestly yes. Because there hasn't been a major attack from one of those countries. .

Can you clarify this statement?
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It's a 90- day moratorium on immigration, etc.

Everyone acts like it's forever (and the sky is falling).

Ironic you're posting this - maybe the Brits need to take a look at their immigration policies? Perhaps Theresa May will save the Empire.
Yes it's a 90 day moratorium fair enough.

However it is totally inept, if it is targetred at countries with poor or no passport controls, then it misses out loads of them.

If it is aimed at targeting ISIS terrorists, then it misses out some of the major ones but includes bizarrely Iran who are fighting them.

If it is aimed at Muslim countries, then it totally misses out on Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and likes of Egypt.

Our immigration policy is not that bad, we have detention centres and ship illegals back, have done for years.

On immigration policy, the US one for Mexico is working amazingly well it seems.


The entire thing even just for a 90 day event, is utterly inept, imagine electing a government that could make such basic mistake on the political stage.

I have nothing against banning countries from entering another, however if you are going to do it then let someone with some common sense do it.
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It seems like most of these middle eastern countries used to be more moderate 30-40 years ago. I have always wanted to visit Lahore because my grandparents hail from there (pre-partition India), but as a Hindu I fear what would happen to me there.
I was born in Lahore. I was last there about 20 years ago. It was a wonderful city with great people, great history, great food as well as a place called Hera Mandi. That literally translates to 'Diamond Market.' That's were the courtesans used to hang out.

Ah.... the good old days....

The Wahabis started out in the 18th century. There was a rebellion in Arabia. The Ottoman Empire crushed them. WW1 gave them a fresh lease on life thanks to the British Empire's effort to defeat the Ottoman Empire. Then oil showed up. Then FDR cut a deal with Ibn Saud to sell oil in US$ and the rest is History.

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Only problem I have with the ban is he left Saudi Arabia off the list. They should be #1.
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Yes it's a 90 day moratorium fair enough.

However it is totally inept, if it is targetred at countries with poor or no passport controls, then it misses out loads of them.

If it is aimed at targeting ISIS terrorists, then it misses out some of the major ones but includes bizarrely Iran who are fighting them.

If it is aimed at Muslim countries, then it totally misses out on Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and likes of Egypt.

Our immigration policy is not that bad, we have detention centres and ship illegals back, have done for years.

On immigration policy, the US one for Mexico is working amazingly well it seems.


The entire thing even just for a 90 day event, is utterly inept, imagine electing a government that could make such basic mistake on the political stage.

I have nothing against banning countries from entering another, however if you are going to do it then let someone with some common sense do it.
Maybe you should have run for president.
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Maybe you should have run for president.
Apart from being English, I am not sure my shoot to kill policy on people breaking the law, the need to use precision dialable yield nukes against North Korea, ditto with a number of countries that are constant hotspots (turn them to glass), would go down that well.
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Maybe you should have run for president.
Apart from being English, I am not sure my shoot to kill policy on people breaking the law, the need to use precision dialable yield nukes against North Korea, ditto with a number of countries that are constant hotspots (turn them to glass), would go down that well.
You have my vote.
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I think David's post is important. I was born in Pakistan. It's not on the list but it easily could be. I am not going to talk of the merits of this temporary ban of 90 days for visas or 120 days for refugees.

What I am going to say is that as a Canadian brown dude of Pakistani birth - I am no longer visiting Europe. I think it's unsafe as David points out and due to my skin colour I do not wish to be confused for an Immigrant or Refugee in Europe.

I am also probably going to curtail my US visits until this sorts itself out. I do not wish to put myself at the mercy of The Department of Homeland Security - even though I am an atheist and have nothing to hide.
According to the press my country for example has skinheads running around. Please, do not let fear take over. It is far from the truth. I haven't seen one and I actually go looking for them when ever I'm bored and want to pick up a fight. Our only hopr is resistance.

Our ministry of foreign affairs informed the citizens that 11 thousand finns are no longer welcome to usa. Finland does have a hand in terrorism development, we invented Molotov's cocktail and all.

Fear and shame separates us far faster than any border blocks can.
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I think David's post is important. I was born in Pakistan. It's not on the list but it easily could be. I am not going to talk of the merits of this temporary ban of 90 days for visas or 120 days for refugees.

What I am going to say is that as a Canadian brown dude of Pakistani birth - I am no longer visiting Europe. I think it's unsafe as David points out and due to my skin colour I do not wish to be confused for an Immigrant or Refugee in Europe.

I am also probably going to curtail my US visits until this sorts itself out. I do not wish to put myself at the mercy of The Department of Homeland Security - even though I am an atheist and have nothing to hide.
According to the press my country for example has skinheads running around. Please, do not let fear take over. It is far from the truth. I haven't seen one and I actually go looking for them when ever I'm bored and want to pick up a fight. Our only hopr is resistance.

Our ministry of foreign affairs informed the citizens that 11 thousand finns are no longer welcome to usa. Finland does have a hand in terrorism development, we invented Molotov's cocktail and all.

Fear and shame separates us far faster than any border blocks can.
So does common sense.
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So does common sense.
Yes. Please come to the light and show us you are a person who has that.
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This is exactly what ISIS wants. You can bet that with Trumps latest move the Islamic State recruitment machine is in high gear.
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This is exactly what ISIS wants. You can bet that with Trumps latest move the Islamic State recruitment machine is in high gear.
yup, and they will ship them all into Canada because Justin Trudeau is an idiot. Then they will make their way into the US from Canada and when the Americans finds out this is how the terrorists got in. They will hate us for not protecting our border. Trump is going to make Trudeau look like an idiot, which he already is.
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yup, and they will ship them all into Canada because Justin Trudeau is an idiot. Then they will make their way into the US from Canada and when the Americans finds out this is how the terrorists got in. They will hate us for not protecting our border. Trump is going to make Trudeau look like an idiot, which he already is.
The entire planet is quite aware of who the idiot is.
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It's a 90- day moratorium on immigration, etc.

Everyone acts like it's forever (and the sky is falling).

Ironic you're posting this - maybe the Brits need to take a look at their immigration policies? Perhaps Theresa May will save the Empire.
Yes it's a 90 day moratorium fair enough.

However it is totally inept, if it is targetred at countries with poor or no passport controls, then it misses out loads of them.

If it is aimed at targeting ISIS terrorists, then it misses out some of the major ones but includes bizarrely Iran who are fighting them.

If it is aimed at Muslim countries, then it totally misses out on Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and likes of Egypt.

Our immigration policy is not that bad, we have detention centres and ship illegals back, have done for years.

On immigration policy, the US one for Mexico is working amazingly well it seems.


The entire thing even just for a 90 day event, is utterly inept, imagine electing a government that could make such basic mistake on the political stage.

I have nothing against banning countries from entering another, however if you are going to do it then let someone with some common sense do it.
As you said, it may be targeting countries that lack basic infrastructure, and therefore vetting their people is somewhat impossible. It also sends a message to the world that things are changing.

I don't have an issue with either.
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This is exactly what ISIS wants. You can bet that with Trumps latest move the Islamic State recruitment machine is in high gear.
What ISIS wants is to roll us back to the 7th century and kill all the infidels, yourself included. It's called radical Islamic terrorism, kill 'em all.
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This is exactly what ISIS wants. You can bet that with Trumps latest move the Islamic State recruitment machine is in high gear.
This will make utterly no difference in Islamic recruitment. If I'm tempted to join something like that, a foreign governments immigration and visa policy isn't going to push me over...
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This will make utterly no difference in Islamic recruitment. If I'm tempted to join something like that, a foreign governments immigration and visa policy isn't going to push me over...
Wrong. Trump is giving ISIS the enemy they want. Even top republicans are saying this will hurt us.

You're just another trump apologist.
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The entire planet is quite aware of who the idiot is.
The entire planet don't care how big of a deficit Trudeau is running. They only care how much refugees we are accepting and the rest is our own problem.
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I'm not exactly sure what "vetting" of migrants and refugees will look like, especially to identify if they are a terrorist risk.

"Are you, or have you ever been, a terrorist?"
"No"

"Are you sure?"
"Yes"

"Are you sure you're sure?"
"Yes"

Ok, come on through, vetting complete. What exactly will be looked for? Terrorist stamps on passports, or maybe a tattoo of Osama Bin Laden on their foreheads? Or maybe they'll just break down and confess when border control officers stare at them sternly.

What I do know is that banning people from legally returning to the country to see their loved ones will incite frustration, anger and hate in the people already here in the US. The protests have already started. I wonder what those that think protesting is a waste of time might be doing right now?!

I for one would feel MUCH safer today knowing that Trump is acting. Retard. In no idea he ever has does he consider all the consequences, he just thinks of one simple consequence and then moves on to his next great "idea".
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