F1 2021: Hungarian GP - Budapest (Aug 1)

Ngilbe36 · 08-06-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

No, you should feel worse when someone gets hurt by your wrongdoing vs someone gets hurt by not your wrongdoing (in fact, his own wrongdoing).
I'm amaized that you don't understand that. (or...I'm not amaized that you don't want to understand that.....)

I think you are confusing empathy with guilt.

GuidoK · 08-06-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

I think you are confusing empathy with guilt.

That depends on which of the two examples you attribute to guilt and which to empathy.

But VER in his statement sure ment one of the two more than the other, whereas the GRO incident could only play on empathy (which is why it's a very different situation)

Ngilbe36 · 08-06-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

That depends on which of the two examples you attribute to guilt and which to empathy.

But VER in his statement sure ment one of the two more than the other, whereas the GRO incident could only play on empathy (which is why it's a very different situation)

Right, I should have been more clear. Hamilton didnt feel guilty because he didnt think he was wrong and thats his choice. So all there was to feel was empathy for Max, who was fine.

GuidoK · 08-06-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Hamilton didnt feel guilty because he didnt think he was wrong and thats his choice.

Yes and Toto felt the same. He said "a win is a win" about the incident and winning the british GP.
That totally sets the attitude of the MERC team regarding the safety of other drivers....winning the title is more important.

Well, we'll see, the season is still long.

SenorFunkyPants · 08-06-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Hamilton didnt feel guilty because he didnt think he was wrong and thats his choice. So all there was to feel was empathy for Max, who was fine.

I have to say I was surprised to read about Verstappen making a fuss.
It didn't seem a big deal at all...he walked away from the crash and went for check up.
Lets be honest if the tables had been reversed and Hamilton had been in the wall while Verstappen went on to win at a "Dutch" race...Verstappen would have celebrated just the same in front of his fans.

Ngilbe36 · 08-06-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I have to say I was surprised to read about Verstappen making a fuss.
It didn't seem a big deal at all...he walked away from the crash and went for check up.
Lets be honest if the tables had been reversed and Hamilton had been in the wall while Verstappen went on to win at a "Dutch" race...Verstappen would have celebrated just the same in front of his fans.

And so long as Ham was fine, I wouldnt care.

MKSixer · 08-06-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Aligned. The most productive engineers I work with all speak clearly and concisely with details, and evidence so there is no room for interpretation in their communication. I cannot speak for the business world, but in engineering, evidence comes from data, not opinions.

Exactly. There is slight room for opinion in both but since the FDA, FTC, SEC ATF&E have little or no sense of humor, we tend to be very conservative and data driven in all approaches.

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Originally Posted by yco

when you just take a look Max's clashes so far.. he is just paying his karma.. and have to say there is more to come.. very likely..

Perfectly stated. Max had 21 points on his Super License in less than 4 years of driving in F1. There are two things at work on this and not from anything that Maxi Pad has done.

The first is that they created the no moving in the braking zone rule or, as I call it, The Maxi-Paddle Arresting Regulation. Next is the fact that drivers give Maxi-Pad very wide berth when he is anywhere in the area. It's literally Self Preservation.

GTF · 08-06-2021, 02:33 PM

Silverstone got over 1300 posts. Hungary may catch up with extended break. Guys...you're never going to convince those having opposing views. The Hamilton fans can't handle that F1 is no longer a Mercedes parade. And Max fans are upset that the last two races were a disaster (caused almost entirely by Mercedes). At least F1 is gradually returning to racing as opposed to a boring two-hour "follow the leader" parade. There's finally some competition, and that's more entertaining.
sidebar:
"Sir" Lewis??? Come on, who does this? Is Mick Jagger referred to as "Sir Mick"? Not impressed.
And that, as Dennis Miller would say, is my opinion...I could be wrong.

Ngilbe36 · 08-06-2021, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GTF

Silverstone got over 1300 posts. Hungary may catch up with extended break. Guys...you're never going to convince those having opposing views. The Hamilton fans can't handle that F1 is no longer a Mercedes parade. And Max fans are upset that the last two races were a disaster (caused almost entirely by Mercedes). At least F1 is gradually returning to racing as opposed to a boring two-hour "follow the leader" parade. There's finally some competition, and that's more entertaining.
sidebar:
"Sir" Lewis??? Come on, who does this? Is Mick Jagger referred to as "Sir Mick"? Not impressed.
And that, as Dennis Miller would say, is my opinion...I could be wrong.

Please oh please tell me this is Belgium's 3rd profile ready to crank things up to 11!

tdott · 08-06-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

Not according to the FIA

Oh, so now what the FIA says matters?

FIA also said there was no intent. Otherwise the penalty would be much harsher.

Typical Maxi Pad, only using the rules/logic when they benefit Max.

GuidoK · 08-06-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Verstappen would have celebrated just the same in front of his fans.

Well, now he has that mandate if it comes to that.

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Originally Posted by tdott

FIA also said there was no intent.

No intent doesn't mean no blame.
HAM caused the crash because he was reckless. He didn't follow the racing line because according to the FIA his racing line wouldn't have hit the apex (he went way too fast for that, a typical do or die maneuvre), and he didn't use the room VER left him, which was easily 1,5 times the width of the car on the inside.
You can also see the difference in how HAM later passed LEC in the same corner, but using that space on the inside and hitting the apex. So he knows how it should be done.

Steeler · 08-06-2021, 03:59 PM

And just like I said in the Silverstone thread minutes after the incident, boy racer now knows his place.
Get your elbows out and expect the same. I suspect the whole grid will follow suit when around boy wonder.

ALO and HAM battle for 4th in Hungary showed respect. Give it and you shall receive it.

Edited for time... https://streamable.com/wvycl9

Killed by Death · 08-06-2021, 04:03 PM

Meanwhile, only 21 days till FP1

M5Rick · 08-06-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GTF

Silverstone got over 1300 posts. Hungary may catch up with extended break. Guys...you're never going to convince those having opposing views. The Hamilton fans can't handle that F1 is no longer a Mercedes parade. And Max fans are upset that the last two races were a disaster (caused almost entirely by Mercedes). At least F1 is gradually returning to racing as opposed to a boring two-hour "follow the leader" parade. There's finally some competition, and that's more entertaining.
sidebar:
"Sir" Lewis??? Come on, who does this? Is Mick Jagger referred to as "Sir Mick"? Not impressed.
And that, as Dennis Miller would say, is my opinion...I could be wrong.

There are a few Hamilton bois on here with a leader that refers to him as a sir, more of a novelty for him adorned with his heavy gold chains.

tdott · 08-06-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

No intent doesn't mean no blame.

Yes, but if it was intentional the penalty would have been much harsher.

Rammed, implies intent....so what you and others are saying here below was factually incorrect?

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

The difference is Ham rammed Max off and Max didn't hit Gro,it ''does'' matter, you're pulling on strings.Ham celebrated knowing HE caused it.

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

whereas VER got rammed off by HAM (and HAM getting a penalty for that).

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

Not only because he rammed someone off, but because it was also the race leader and his biggest competitor.

Chappers 71 · 08-06-2021, 04:20 PM

As I posted many pages ago...the FIA issued Lewis with the SECOND most LENIENT penalty available to them, fact, supposition had RB not made such a fuss the FIA would have let it go for what it was....a racing incident

MKSixer · 08-06-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chappers 71

As I posted many pages ago...the FIA issued Lewis with the SECOND most LENIENT penalty available to them, fact, supposition had RB not made such a fuss the FIA would have let it go for what it was....a racing incident

Had the Red Bullying 16Bully remained on the track, it is highly unlikely that any penalty would have been applied.

GTFM3 · 08-06-2021, 04:28 PM

Not sure what you meant by that response, but I don't plan on joining this thread. I have a life. I actually admit that I have read very little of this thread, but was amused by its length.

GuidoK · 08-06-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tdott

Yes, but if it was intentional the penalty would have been much harsher.

Sure

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Rammed, implies intent....

No it doesn't imply intent; the context decides that.
It can be intentional and unintentional.

Just as Bottas' brakes locked up and rammed into the back of Norris.
Does this imply intent?

M5Rick · 08-06-2021, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GTFM3

Not sure what you meant by that response, but I don't plan on joining this thread. I have a life. I actually admit that I have read very little of this thread, but was amused by its length.

Good luck to whatever you decide, you're welcome to come back if you so wish.

Ngilbe36 · 08-06-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GTFM3

Not sure what you meant by that response, but I don't plan on joining this thread. I have a life. I actually admit that I have read very little of this thread, but was amused by its length.

This is ANOTHER account. Amazing

chuckthis · 08-06-2021, 05:57 PM

Are we still on about Silverstone? Geez…even the drivers involved are over it.

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