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      08-26-2019, 09:15 AM   #2289
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Tesla rivals Jaguar I-Pace and Audi e-tron are struggling to compete — here's how the cars actually compare to the Model X
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Range is the biggest reason for not selling as many cars as Tesla!!!

Both are in 200mil range where Tesla past 300mil which is huge.

BMW's fifth-generation electric drive system with an estimated range between charges of more than 373 miles (600 kilometers) based on the WLTP cycle. The iNEXT will be the "technology flagship" of the automaker and will support level 3 autonomous driving when it debuts for the 2021 model year.
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Range is the biggest reason for not selling as many cars as Tesla!!!

Both are in 200mil range where Tesla past 300mil which is huge.

BMW's fifth-generation electric drive system with an estimated range between charges of more than 373 miles (600 kilometers) based on the WLTP cycle. The iNEXT will be the "technology flagship" of the automaker and will support level 3 autonomous driving when it debuts for the 2021 model year.
Its the TESLA brand name and performance #s that give them credibility.

BMW like Jaguar and Audi will not have the same brand cache for EV buyers which is a niche segment.
Porsche will have some success with their new EV for the wealthy shoppers looking to drop over $150k.
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I'm always suspicious of numbers with (est) next to them. 10,000 exactly? 12,550? All the other numbers look precise if not accurate.
Also, consider the source.

CleanTechnica is a green tech news/advocacy website. Nothing wrong with that, but they do have a firm interest in publishing statistics that show the strength/growth of electric cars.
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I'm always suspicious of numbers with (est) next to them. 10,000 exactly? 12,550? All the other numbers look precise if not accurate.
Also, consider the source.

CleanTechnica is a green tech news/advocacy website. Nothing wrong with that, but they do have a firm interest in publishing statistics that show the strength/growth of electric cars.
I am sure those numbers also include fleet sales...
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Its the TESLA brand name and performance #s that give them credibility.

BMW like Jaguar and Audi will not have the same brand cache for EV buyers which is a niche segment.
Porsche will have some success with their new EV for the wealthy shoppers looking to drop over $150k.
Tesla started with no reputation and look where it is now.
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Tesla started with no reputation and look where it is now.
Tesla started the domino-effect no doubt about it.
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Its the TESLA brand name and performance #s that give them credibility.

BMW like Jaguar and Audi will not have the same brand cache for EV buyers which is a niche segment.
Porsche will have some success with their new EV for the wealthy shoppers looking to drop over $150k.
If BMW pulls the 370mil range this will give them huge advantage.

TESLA started with nothing and it's barely surviving now.

Rivian is the company to worry about it besides Tesla.
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If BMW pulls the 370mil range this will give them huge advantage.

TESLA started with nothing and it's barely surviving now.

Rivian is the company to worry about it besides Tesla.
Agreed. We had 2 i3 before getting the Model 3, and I tried really hard not to get the Model 3. I was on the verge of pulling the trigger on the 530e on 3 different occasions before getting the Model 3. If BMW has a 250miles range car in the similar price range as the Model 3, I would not have even looked at Model 3.
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Agreed. We had 2 i3 before getting the Model 3, and I tried really hard not to get the Model 3. I was on the verge of pulling the trigger on the 530e on 3 different occasions before getting the Model 3. If BMW has a 250miles range car in the similar price range as the Model 3, I would not have even looked at Model 3.
Everyone is looking for better range. If BMW pulls this high range, they are gone be selling them like nothing.
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If BMW pulls the 370mil range this will give them huge advantage.

TESLA started with nothing and it's barely surviving now.

Rivian is the company to worry about it besides Tesla.
I never know about Rivian company. Did some search and it looks nice.
You do know a lot about other car manufacturers. Respect!!!
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Is Rivian still back by GM or it's Amazon now?
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Everyone is looking for better range. If BMW pulls this high range, they are gone be selling them like nothing.
Mine Dad wants one
Next year he will be driving BMW's for 40 years
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Is Rivian still back by GM or it's Amazon now?
No, it's California privately owned. Founder Robert "RJ" Scaringe.

In February 2019, Amazon announced it would be leading an investment round of $700 million.
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No, it's California privately owned. Founder Robert "RJ" Scaringe.

In February 2019, Amazon announced it would be leading an investment round of $700 million.
Lending or taking equity?
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No, it's California privately owned. Founder Robert "RJ" Scaringe.

In February 2019, Amazon announced it would be leading an investment round of $700 million.
Also, Ford invested $500M early this year.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ment-ford.html
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Lending or taking equity?
Investment from Amazon
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/rivi...by-amazon.html
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I figure I ask you sense you know so much.

Mine friend has tesla and it takes him a while to charge lie over 1 hour. Is that because of the battery size? I believe he has 80 kW.
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I figure I ask you sense you know so much.

Mine friend has tesla and it takes him a while to charge lie over 1 hour. Is that because of the battery size? I believe he has 80 kW.
Tesla super charger charges up to 150 KW depending on the version.
They take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100% on the original 85 kWh Model S.

Here is the best part:
IONITY was founded by the BMW Group (which includes BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce), Daimler (parent of Mercedes-Benz) and Ford, plus Audi and Porsche, both members of the Volkswagen Group.
Delivering power at up to a rate of 350 kW - well above the 150kW Supercharger - Ionity chargers can refill batteries by 80% in as little as [[COLOR="DarkRed"]B]15 minutes[/B] [/COLOR]

Edit: here is the video of Audi e-tron traveling 10 Countries in 24 hours using new ionity capable only 150 KW " for now " ( above states they can do up to 350KW ) 80% in 20-25 minutes
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I had to chime in here after reading all of these posts.

I've owned 10 new BMWs in 14 years. I still currently own a BMW M2 as a weekend toy. My DD is a Model 3 Performance. We sold my wife's 340i for another Model 3 Performance as well. So now we have 2 Teslas and 1 BMW, which I'm possibly looking to sell. Here's the thing...

What some people, especially competing OEMs like BMW fail to understand is the reason Tesla was able to turn the industry upside down is not because of any single factor. It's the ENTIRE package.

1. Frequent software updates - Want more power? Want to add blind spot capability? Want to access new features or improve existing ones? Easy. Tesla does an amazing job of keeping your car feeling fresh with constant software updates. No other manufacturer on the planet does this and they fail to realize how big of a draw this is. My car will still feel new and fresh years down the road when other manufacturers force you to buy a new car to get new features/tech.

2. Supercharger network - Tesla is light years ahead of anyone else here. It's a lot more convenient to take long road trips with a Tesla anywhere in the US than any other brand. Also, the upcoming Tesla V3 chargers are extremely fast (up to 1000/mi per hour). Good luck taking road trips with other EVs today. It sucks. I've tried. All this talk from VW and others about charging to 80% in 15 min is cool to hear, but in practice it's smoke and mirrors with no network in place today.

3. Range - By the time BMW or any other manufacturer releases a car with 300mi of range to match Tesla, they will be one-upped again. The new 100D Model S already has 370mi of range. 400+ is coming within the next 6 months. BMW won't even have a competing EV out by then.

4. Cost - Tesla's are actually good value in many cases. My Model 3 Perf is an insanely capable performance car and I actually enjoy driving it more than my M2 to be honest. It's insane for me to even think about that, but it's true. It's that good. Name another car that goes 0-60 in 3.2sec and does the qtr mile in 11.8sec for under $63K fully loaded new? You can't. Period. Not to mention the gas and maintenance savings as well.

There are many other reasons why Tesla's are stealing sales away from other brands, but I'll let the convo carry on. Bottom line is this upcoming BMW won't change anything. It'll be overpriced, lack range, and likely end up playing it very safe to not alienate BMWs base. End result? Lackluster sales and further irrelevancy in the EV space.

Don't even get me started on BMWs recent styling issues as of late...lol
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