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      08-29-2019, 10:02 AM   #1
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Elizabeth Warren?

Well - as of the latest polls, she is now leading by a wide margin and the betting sites are all putting her at a huge chance of winning the nomination.

As of right now - Trump leads her in polls, but it is reasonably close.

So - for those who don't like Trump, but aren't necessarily full blown Communists or Socialists - I present you with Elizabeth Warren's plan if she is elected president. I pulled these quotes directly from her campaign website below:

https://elizabethwarren.com/?mkwid=s...caAmS3EALw_wcB

Gotta say - she is bold. If she has the desire to either start a full blown civil war or downright collapse the economy in record time - her plan will likely get us there. Some of the best points from her website below. What say you?

* Eliminate the filibuster in Congress.
* Ban private equity firms.
* Cancellation of student loan debt for every single American up to $50K.
* Make all public universities tuition free and 100% taxpayer funded.
* Institute a 2% wealth & asset tax, annually confiscating 2% of all wealth held by individuals over $50M.
* Institute a 3% wealth & asset tax, annually confiscating 3% of all wealth held by individuals over $1B.
* Abolish the electoral college.
* Make it illegal to sell any gun across state lines.
* Ban the 3D printing of firearms.
* Require a federal permit to purchase ammo.
* Require a federal license to own a firearm.
* Increase sales tax to 50% for all firearm and ammo sales.
* Make illegal any gun that carries more than 6 rounds.
* Decriminalize all illegal border crossings.
* Eliminate the CBP and ICE.
* Eliminate the cap on refugee application approvals.
* Eliminate all penalties for those currently in the U.S. illegally.
* Make it illegal for any American company to insure or invest in coal mining or coal production.



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      08-29-2019, 11:13 AM   #2
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Seems u have mistakes in your list of Warren’s gun control policy list.
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It even had mistakes describing Warren’s immigration stand.
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It even had mistakes describing Warren’s immigration stand.
So lets just take the guns and immigration out of this equation for the time being, does that mean you're ok with the rest of the platform? Because from where I'm sitting I think it would devastate the US economy and therefore most of the US trading partners.
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She's a vile, disgusting race pimp so of course she'll likely get the Dim nomination.

Personally I don't think DJT will win, so the most important thing to hope for is at least a Democrat to get the nomination who has a semblance of sanity in their brain. I'm kinda hoping for a Michelle Obama hail Mary pass at this point. If she threw in I think you could just forego the election today.
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Confistate. Once you hear those words you better start stacking up on ammo. The Bolsheviks, to which playbook modern democrats subscribe to, had the same idea. It worked out wonderfully for Russia and Central\Eastern Europe.
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Seems u have mistakes in your list of Warren’s gun control policy list.
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It even had mistakes describing Warren’s immigration stand.
The only two that are not directly cut and pasted from her website are the following:

1) Make illegal any gun that carries more than 6 rounds.
2) Eliminate the CBP and ICE.

Note, however, that she endorses a plan on her website that aims to eliminate all semi-auto hand guns and rifles. There are currently no mass produced guns that are not semi-auto and which hold more than 6 rounds, hence the statement.

Regarding the CBP and ICE, she states on her website that she wants to shuttle both of the agencies "as the are currently designed" and remake them with a different purpose and mission statement, one that does not include investigative powers, arrest powers, or the ability to detain anyone. The revamping she proposes would completely eliminate the CBP and ICE as their charters now dictate they are.

If I tell you that it is okay to build gas powered cars, but I make it illegal to operate gas powered cars in the country, have I not effectively eliminated gas powered cars?

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So lets just take the guns and immigration out of this equation for the time being, does that mean you're ok with the rest of the platform? Because from where I'm sitting I think it would devastate the US economy and therefore most of the US trading partners.
Refer to my response above, but as you mention, even if one is completely okay with those items above - are they still fine with all the others?
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Confistate. Once you hear those words you better start stacking up on ammo. The Bolsheviks, to which playbook modern democrats subscribe to, had the same idea. It worked out wonderfully for Russia and Central\Eastern Europe.
She wants to spend close to 10 trillion in taxpayer dollars just within the first 4 years of her administration and her proposals will also eliminate nearly 5 million jobs just in healthcare, finance, and mining alone.

You put those two things together and you are going to have a serious problem. Just what does she think will happen when you increase unemployment to double digits, increase taxes on those who still have a job, and massively increase inflation between incompatible supply and demand central planning ideas along with massive increases in water and electric rates? People are going to completely freak the hell out.
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The only two that are not directly cut and pasted from her website are the following:

1) Make illegal any gun that carries more than 6 rounds.
2) Eliminate the CBP and ICE.

Note, however, that she endorses a plan on her website that aims to eliminate all semi-auto hand guns and rifles. There are currently no mass produced guns that are not semi-auto and which hold more than 6 rounds, hence the statement.

Regarding the CBP and ICE, she states on her website that she wants to shuttle both of the agencies "as the are currently designed" and remake them with a different purpose and mission statement, one that does not include investigative powers, arrest powers, or the ability to detain anyone. The revamping she proposes would completely eliminate the CBP and ICE as their charters now dictate they are.

If I tell you that it is okay to build gas powered cars, but I make it illegal to operate gas powered cars in the country, have I not effectively eliminated gas powered cars?



Refer to my response above, but as you mention, even if one is completely okay with those items above - are they still fine with all the others?
FTR, I wasn't doubting your statements on the firearms issues as I know you do your research. I find it tiresome when folks loose sight of the big picture in order to make a weak point.
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FTR, I wasn't doubting your statements on the firearms issues as I know you do your research. I find it tiresome when folks loose sight of the big picture in order to make a weak point.
Yeah, I know. I tried to segregate my response to their quotes and my response to yours. I apologize if it wasn't clear - that wasn't my intention.
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      08-29-2019, 12:32 PM   #11
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Yeah, I know. I tried to segregate my response to their quotes and my response to yours. I apologize if it wasn't clear - that wasn't my intention.
I absolutely got what you were saying. I wanted to make sure both our points were made.
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It's a ridiculous list and she is a casualty of the trend of trying to "out-progressive" the other candidates, IMO.

*IF* she wins the nom I'll be morbidly curious to see how much she "pivots" during the general.

She doesn't motivate me to get out and vote much, truth to tell.
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It's a ridiculous list and she is a casualty of the trend of trying to "out-progressive" the other candidates, IMO.

*IF* she wins the nom I'll be morbidly curious to see how much she "pivots" during the general.

She doesn't motivate me to get out and vote much, truth to tell.
I dunno - I might disagree with you on this one. Had you made that statement regarding Harris, I would 100% concur. I don't think Harris is really all that much of a leftist and just goes where the wind takes her to earn votes. That's super slimy, but isn't too detrimental to the country. Warren? I think she might actually buy into some of that garbage. Sanders I think buys in 100%. Either of them worry me substantially. Biden or Harris getting elected doesn't make me that concerned other than I probably need to start looking for a new job.

The elimination of the electoral college is one of my biggest concerns. That essentially turns us into a direct democracy, which always fails when eventually the wolves realize their are two of them and only 1 sheep.
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I dunno - I might disagree with you on this one. Had you made that statement regarding Harris, I would 100% concur. I don't think Harris is really all that much of a leftist and just goes where the wind takes her to earn votes. That's super slimy, but isn't too detrimental to the country. Warren? I think she might actually buy into some of that garbage. Sanders I think buys in 100%. Either of them worry me substantially. Biden or Harris getting elected doesn't make me that concerned other than I probably need to start looking for a new job.

The elimination of the electoral college is one of my biggest concerns. That essentially turns us into a direct democracy, which always fails when eventually the wolves realize their are two of them and only 1 sheep.
You could be right - I'm not a Warren fan, so I don't pay much attention to her.

Either way, I don't think she ends up the nominee and even if she does, and even if she won the Presidency, there is Congress.

She'd never even successfully implement half of the least crazy ideas on that list.
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I suspect she's trying to steal Bernie's thunder and appeal to the Squad's base. If she was to win I don't think she'd be able to accomplish much of what's in her platform for a number of reasons but there's no doubt she'd do some serious damage.
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You could be right - I'm not a Warren fan, so I don't pay much attention to her.

Either way, I don't think she ends up the nominee and even if she does, and even if she won the Presidency, there is Congress.

She'd never even successfully implement half of the least crazy ideas on that list.
Well, right now she is the number 1 favorite to win the nomination. Trump still leads her in the polls for the general election, but not by much.

I agree that most of the baloney she promotes would never make it past congress, but if even a couple of those items on the list did, it could have some pretty serious negative impacts to this country.

My question I always have when it comes to the student loan forgiveness is this:

Currently, there are more college graduates in America who have successfully paid off their student loans than those who have outstanding student loans. If they forgive the student loans outstanding - what about everyone who already paid theirs back? Do they get a refund? Because if not, you are going to seriously piss off more people than you are going to help.
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Has anyone kept track of Trumps deficit generating policies ? At this point any Democrat is a fiscal improvement.
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If even half of these were enacted, this would start the death throes of our great republic.
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Well, right now she is the number 1 favorite to win the nomination. Trump still leads her in the polls for the general election, but not by much.

I agree that most of the baloney she promotes would never make it past congress, but if even a couple of those items on the list did, it could have some pretty serious negative impacts to this country.

My question I always have when it comes to the student loan forgiveness is this:

Currently, there are more college graduates in America who have successfully paid off their student loans than those who have outstanding student loans. If they forgive the student loans outstanding - what about everyone who already paid theirs back? Do they get a refund? Because if not, you are going to seriously piss off more people than you are going to help.
She's been the #1 favorite for all of about 5 mins and we're more than a year out. I'm not getting too worked up just yet.

Yep, it will rightly piss some people off. Just like the last round of kids who had to pay for school will feel compared to the first round of kids who get "free" college, if that ever happens.

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Has anyone kept track of Trumps deficit generating policies ? At this point any Democrat is a fiscal improvement.
Deficits under Trump:

2017: 665,000,000,000
2018: 779,000,000,000



Projected deficits under Warren if all plans were implemented:

2021: 3,900,000,000,000
2022: 4,400,000,000,000

Projected deficits under Sanders if all plans were implemented:

2021: 6,100,000,000,000
2022: 6,800,000,000,000

Projected deficits under Harris if all plans were implemented:

2021: 1,600,000,000,000
2022: 1,900,000,000,000

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Well, right now she is the number 1 favorite to win the nomination. Trump still leads her in the polls for the general election, but not by much.

I agree that most of the baloney she promotes would never make it past congress, but if even a couple of those items on the list did, it could have some pretty serious negative impacts to this country.

My question I always have when it comes to the student loan forgiveness is this:

Currently, there are more college graduates in America who have successfully paid off their student loans than those who have outstanding student loans. If they forgive the student loans outstanding - what about everyone who already paid theirs back? Do they get a refund? Because if not, you are going to seriously piss off more people than you are going to help.

We all know polls this early are academic. Also, I believe they are more reflective of who I like or dislike. If she were running against Trump, all he has to do is ask if everyone who has private health insurance and/or is on medicare after paying into the system for years, if they would like to figuratively be stuck in the queue with everyone else for health care. (Of course, he would #%#@a up the message with his usual babbling.)
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Seems like the original poster got the student loan forgiveness policy incorrect.
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