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      03-12-2019, 02:59 PM   #1387
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Very disappointed Jalopnik going for click baits.

However, I am not sure why getting $13,000 discount on top of $7,500 fed tax credit and state incentives is a bad thing. Again, no one forced anyone to sign the dotted line to buy a luxury car. Everyone is replaceable especially in the sales industry. I cant hire people fast enough just cant find qualified people. Some people hate Tesla keep posting negative click baits, will never buy one. Some people like Tesla and is willing to spend money on it. Pretty simple.
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Very disappointed Jalopnik going for click baits.

However, I am not sure why getting $13,000 discount on top of $7,500 fed tax credit and state incentives is a bad thing. Again, no one forced anyone to sign the dotted line to buy a luxury car. Everyone is replaceable especially in the sales industry. I cant hire people fast enough just cant find qualified people. Some people hate Tesla keep posting negative click baits, will never buy one. Some people like Tesla and is willing to spend money on it. Pretty simple.
1) Thread is about Tesla, so all new information is relevant, not just "clickbait".
2) From where do you get "hate" unless "hate" is anything less than "amazing"?
3) This isn't anywhere on the "Love/Hate" scale...this is "Trust/Distrust" and Tesla has earned its position at one end, fact by fact.
4) Price cuts are the last gasp of a desperate seller.
5) Trust your front line. They know the market realities very well and are an invaluable source of information.
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I am in the market for another vehicle. Be it a G20, Model 3, Model Y, or whatever, I am looking for informative and constructive discussions.

You don't have to like Elon Musk, but I don't understand why CEO of a company should weigh so much on my car buying decision. I don't know the guy fainted at BMW press event and I still buy BMWs.

Following Tesla news is incredibly exhausting. No other company attracts this type of attention and yes, click baits are everywhere. My phone blows up every day with breaking news about Tesla (thanks Google!), and I see it from multiple angles.
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I have no feelings about Elon Musk other than observing his ineptness at launching a car company based on the results. As a former prospect and now a nay-sayer, I am quite satisfied with my research which lead to a rejection of an inferior product, other than the powertain. Having developed and launched new vehicles for decades, I feel comfortable with my objective assessment skills to avoid such experiences.
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I have no feelings about Elon Musk other than observing his ineptness at launching a car company based on the results. As a former prospect and now a nay-sayer, I am quite satisfied with my research which lead to a rejection of an inferior product, other than the powertain. Having developed and launched new vehicles for decades, I feel comfortable with my objective assessment skills to avoid such experiences.
This times 1000+
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      03-13-2019, 08:58 PM   #1392
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The jalopnik article is just droning on like some girlish rants.
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The jalopnik article is just droning on like some girlish rants.
Anti-Tesla or not, I kept waiting for that article to stop repeating the same sentiment over and over.
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Anti-Tesla or not, I kept waiting for that article to stop repeating the same sentiment over and over.
A case of dejavu.
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The USA is trying to return to the 50's era.
The 1950's were not exactly a bad time in america....not to say there were NO issues but......
I like some aspects of the 1950s but you can have apartheid/segregation that was prevalent in the era...
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I am in the market for another vehicle. Be it a G20, Model 3, Model Y, or whatever, I am looking for informative and constructive discussions.

You don't have to like Elon Musk, but I don't understand why CEO of a company should weigh so much on my car buying decision. I don't know the guy fainted at BMW press event and I still buy BMWs.

Following Tesla news is incredibly exhausting. No other company attracts this type of attention and yes, click baits are everywhere. My phone blows up every day with breaking news about Tesla (thanks Google!), and I see it from multiple angles.
How many Tesla's have you sold today?

Must be a slow day at the showroom.
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I like some aspects of the 1950s but you can have apartheid/segregation that was prevalent in the era...
The 50's were pretty awesome of you were a white male!
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Is it just me, or does the Model Y look kinda small? Just a slightly raised up model 3 with an optional 3rd row crammed in the back. I was really hoping for an affordable version of the X.
I saw the livestream... I was not impressed. The Model Y looks like the 3 and X a lot. I was hoping for something radical.
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I have no feelings about Elon Musk other than observing his ineptness at launching a car company based on the results. As a former prospect and now a nay-sayer, I am quite satisfied with my research which lead to a rejection of an inferior product, other than the powertain. Having developed and launched new vehicles for decades, I feel comfortable with my objective assessment skills to avoid such experiences.
This. I was all about Tesla early on. Test drove a Roadster way back when you could only see them during the road tours - couldn't afford it then, of course. I was excited to finally be in a place to get a Model S, but then when I test drove the new one and started doing real research about the build quality, service situation, etc....I scurried back to a more tried and true make.

Certainly other car makers have their problems, but with Tesla the original product isn't even that good for the price and all the follow-on stuff is still just too shaky for me to deal with. I do think EVs (or at least AFVs) are the future and hope they take off soon. Tesla played a good role in getting the conversation going and perhaps motivating the legacy automakers into building their own products, but I think without significant inprovement Tesla as a brand will become more equivalent to Mazda or Kia or something. Nothing wrong with that, just not a premium market product.
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i havent quite figured out how a company thats behind on manufacturing and hasn't figured out how to turn a profit on its first 3 models decides making a 4th is a good idea... Elon really rides heavy on press... its his obly saving grace
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i havent quite figured out how a company thats behind on manufacturing and hasn't figured out how to turn a profit on its first 3 models
The last two quarters were profitable.
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Sounds like desperation to me:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1594076
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How's the view from the glass house?
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How's the view from the glass house?
Your mistake is thinking that Tesla's potential failure can be compared to BMW and/or Mercedes becoming irrelevant. Tesla has already done what it was created to do, the auto industry will never be the same even if Tesla disappears tomorrow. However, if any of the Germans can no longer be a major player, that will echo across the world and hit hundreds of thousands of workers and dozens of cities.

So that glass house you're asking about is actually just a tiny snow globe. Drop it, let it shatter, the world will never notice.
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The presentation he gave on stage for this car was something a 5th grader could have done better. It was painful to watch. He doesn't seem like a car guy at all and can barely speak to his own product. How and why is this guy leading the EV revolution? Genuinely confused over this.

Can someone show me exactly where and how his cars are proving to be the "highest rated" in terms of safety? I keep hearing this, yet an automaker like Volvo, who has a corporate goal to end fatalities in their vehicles along with decades of experience making unquestionably safe and well-built cars, cannot achieve these same results. Couple this with the fact that Teslas have been reverse engineered and proven to have horrible body-in-white construction methods that are decades behind today's standards, and it becomes that much more intriguing as to how they might be achieving this.

As for their EV tech being industry leading, I think they should enjoy it while it lasts. VAG is making great strides with 800 Volt battery and charging tech, while also working on charging networks with the other big German players. I personally think Tesla's automobile division will be dead in the water in 3-6 years time if they are not acquired by another major automaker simply for the name brand. Time will tell.
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Two words... Rivian and Taycan
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How's the view from the glass house?
Your mistake is thinking that Tesla's potential failure can be compared to BMW and/or Mercedes becoming irrelevant. Tesla has already done what it was created to do, the auto industry will never be the same even if Tesla disappears tomorrow. However, if any of the Germans can no longer be a major player, that will echo across the world and hit hundreds of thousands of workers and dozens of cities.

So that glass house you're asking about is actually just a tiny snow globe. Drop it, let it shatter, the world will never notice.
Tesla will be a footnote in history. Enjoy your tiny snow globe while it lasts.
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The presentation he gave on stage for this car was something a 5th grader could have done better. It was painful to watch. He doesn't seem like a car guy at all and can barely speak to his own product. How and why is this guy leading the EV revolution? Genuinely confused over this.
Was this the first time you watched Musk? That's his usual self. And I hope your question is rhetorical because the answers are in all the articles and books written about Tesla and Musk over the last decade or more.
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Can someone show me exactly where and how his cars are proving to be the "highest rated" in terms of safety?
Is this also rhetorical? Because the answer is they are tested by the same organizations that test all other cars.
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it becomes that much more intriguing as to how they might be achieving this.
Again - plenty of answers out there. If you truly are wondering and have been unable to find them anywhere, the most basic explanation is that the battery pack is extremely rigid and that the absence of the engine bay allows for different body geometry and placement of strengthening elements.
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Time will tell.
You have no idea how many Tesla bears said the same words in 2005, 2012, 2017...
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Two words... Rivian and Taycan
Rivian will surprise me if they price any version of their truck below $60K. Porsche doesn't care about the sub-$100K market at all. Tesla's no longer focused there. Once 3+Y production is at 500K+/yr, S and X sales will simply be icing on the cake.
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Tesla will be a footnote in history. Enjoy your tiny snow globe while it lasts.
I'm almost ready for that, just need to get some new wheels and tires for the autocross season so I can go and whup those little BRZs (SCCA put non-P Model 3s into DS, ha).
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