Just a heads up if anyone else got one of the iPhone 15 models

RigaTony1982 · 10-01-2023, 08:56 AM

Wireless charger seems to be causing a serious issue:

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/01...e-15-nfc-chip/

stlcdr · 10-01-2023, 11:06 AM

Ouch!

For a closed ecosystem, Apple sure are having more problems than they should (I would blame apple on this, not BMW. While the BMW charger appears to be less than great, it does work. Or maybe it is the BMW charger? Do other manufacturers have this issue?).

RigaTony1982 · 10-01-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by stlcdr

Ouch!

For a closed ecosystem, Apple sure are having more problems than they should (I would blame apple on this, not BMW. While the BMW charger appears to be less than great, it does work. Or maybe it is the BMW charger? Do other manufacturers have this issue?).

Seems to just be an iPhone 15 issue.

With that being said, I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and have used it on the wireless charger without issue. Probably hold off a bit on using the charger to see if Apple pushes a software update, just to be safe. Otherwise phone has been great for me.

StanDiego · 10-01-2023, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Seems to just be an iPhone 15 issue.

With that being said, I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and have used it on the wireless charger without issue. Probably hold off a bit on using the charger to see if Apple pushes a software update, just to be safe. Otherwise phone has been great for me.

17.1 public beta was recently released but no word on whether it addresses the issue.

When designing the wireless chargers, I suspect the thermodynamics design didn't adequately consider a common situation where the phone is simultaneously being charged and both navigation and music are actively used within CarPlay. Even my iPhone 13 Pro turned off charging virtually every trip due to overheating because I always have CarPlay running with Waze and Apple Music. My 15 PM doesn't seem to be any better or worse than my 13 Pro.

My Outback's wireless charger is almost completely buried in the front of the center console with a slot in front to insert the phone, clearly a poor design from a thermodynamics standpoint. IMHO, someone has completely dropped the ball on specs for automotive wireless chargers. Whether it's Qi, Apple, car manufacturers or some combination is anyone's guess.

The problem really can't be resolved without an improvement in cooling, passive or active, or a reduction in performance by throttling the CPU, something nobody wants.

The 15 PM has 2 performance and 4 efficiency cores in the CPU, a 6-core GPU, and 16-core neural engine. Hopefully, Apple can find a way (via software) to offload more work to the efficiency cores and thereby reduce heat but I have no idea if that is feasible.

Horseman · 10-01-2023, 12:45 PM

All the more reason why I am glad I opted out of the wireless charger for the new Z4.

Argo · 10-01-2023, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseman

All the more reason why I am glad I opted out of the wireless charger for the new Z4.

I mean, $500 for a fairly basic Qi charger is highway robbery to begin with.

bacampbe · 10-01-2023, 04:01 PM

Even with an external Qi charger, the phone can get hot if the coils are not quite aligned. The BMW wireless charger makes it tricky to get that right. I have to fiddle with the phone every time to get the LED to light up. I suspect the camera hump in an iPhone makes it even worse, since it keeps the phone from lying flat.

Any maker-types out there thinking about a mod to put a magnet in/under/on the wireless charger shelf to align with the magsafe battery in the phone?

Horseman · 10-01-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo

I mean, $500 for a fairly basic Qi charger is highway robbery to begin with.

Absofrickenlutley. Didn't like it either.

GerryC · 10-01-2023, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo

I mean, $500 for a fairly basic Qi charger is highway robbery to begin with.

This ^^^. It's about the only option I passed on. If I need my phone charged, I can plug it in.

Westside Guy · 10-01-2023, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GerryC

This ^^^. It's about the only option I passed on. If I need my phone charged, I can plug it in.

Bingo!!!

Argo · 10-01-2023, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GerryC

This ^^^. It's about the only option I passed on. If I need my phone charged, I can plug it in.

Me too, got every other package / option in my order. I'd have considered it for like $200 (but still thought it was expensive).

The wireless charger requires you to take the phone out of your pocket / backpack / bag / etc anyways, so might as well plug it in and charge much faster.

Matthewstorm · 10-01-2023, 10:19 PM

I have the 15 PM and have put it in the charging tray every trip to no ill effects but won't do it anymore until this is resolved.

RigaTony1982 · 10-02-2023, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthewstorm

I have the 15 PM and have put it in the charging tray every trip to no ill effects but won't do it anymore until this is resolved.

Same here. I did see Apple mention they will be releasing an update here shortly to address some of the overheating issues people are having (haven't had that either), so maybe that will cover this as well.

StanDiego · 10-02-2023, 11:11 AM

I continue to use my charging tray while they sort it out. I haven't had any issues and warranty will cover any that might occur. Though the tray isn't very useful at charging the battery to full (while using CarPlay), it does do a decent job of keeping it charged to the level it was at when placed in the tray, which is good enough for me.

rikwynnpa · 10-02-2023, 09:32 PM

Almost every redesigned car now comes with a wireless charger. In many its standard equipment. My wife's '23 Macan charger works perfectly. Toyota and Jeep and everyone else can make a wireless charger that doesnt cook the phone. You'd think that BMW would have had their supplier of this part fix it by now. I don't get it. We should file a CA lawsuit against BMW for this. We all paid $500 for it and its useless.

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Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Wireless charger seems to be causing a serious issue:

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/01...e-15-nfc-chip/

Matthewstorm · 10-02-2023, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Almost every redesigned car now comes with a wireless charger. In many its standard equipment. My wife's '23 Macan charger works perfectly. Toyota and Jeep and everyone else can make a wireless charger that doesnt cook the phone. You'd think that BMW would have had their supplier of this part fix it by now. I don't get it. We should file a CA lawsuit against BMW for this. We all paid $500 for it and its useless.

Do it. I'm behind you %1000.

StanDiego · 10-03-2023, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

We should file a CA lawsuit against BMW for this. We all paid $500 for it and its useless.

Check your sales contract. Mine says that disputes must go through arbitration.

Also, be sure to report it to your service advisor. I mentioned it on my last visit and they pleaded ignorance. I fear the problem is significantly underreported.

RigaTony1982 · 10-03-2023, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by StanDiego

Check your sales contract. Mine says that disputes must go through arbitration.

Also, be sure to report it to your service advisor. I mentioned it on my last visit and they pleaded ignorance. I fear the problem is significantly underreported.

Isn’t the sales contract just between you and the dealer?

StanDiego · 10-03-2023, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Isn’t the sales contract just between you and the dealer?

Perhaps. I would probably have an attorney take a look it before moving forward.

BlankProc · 10-03-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StanDiego

I continue to use my charging tray while they sort it out. I haven't had any issues and warranty will cover any that might occur. Though the tray isn't very useful at charging the battery to full (while using CarPlay), it does do a decent job of keeping it charged to the level it was at when placed in the tray, which is good enough for me.

Same experience. No issues here, and I love how integrated the wireless charging tray is. Fits my iPhone 15 Pro perfectly, and the phone doesn't move around at all. No ugly aftermarket adapters, no cords, no workarounds.

Horseman · 10-03-2023, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlankProc

Same experience. No issues here, and I love how integrated the wireless charging tray is. Fits my iPhone 15 Pro perfectly, and the phone doesn't move around at all. No ugly aftermarket adapters, no cords, no workarounds.

Well let us know how well it charges and whether or not it makes your phone real hot. THat was the issue with the pre LCI models.

RigaTony1982 · 10-03-2023, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseman

Well let us know how well it charges and whether or not it makes your phone real hot. THat was the issue with the pre LCI models.

I’ve used my 15 PM on the charger. It makes it hot. To the point where it stops charging so it can cool down.

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